ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana
1 edit | reply to DSLarggggg
Yeah I pay $100 for SBC 6mbs
I'm not say'n it's not worth it -- but SBC's $100 deal is hardly a residential price-point. The $60 'Extreme deal is what I used to pay Charter for 1.5/.384 mbs. SBC could own the entire broadband market with a 6mbs/$60 deal. |
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DSLarggggg
What Da?
join:2002-02-06
San Jose, CA | unlikely, Cable still has the market on their side. Beside Cable currently can provide 10Mb throughput while ADSL can only do 8.
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jhboricua
ExMod 2000-01
join:2000-06-06
Minneapolis, MN
clubs: | Yeah, but what good is it when they have their phantom 'caps' going on? |
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana | reply to DSLarggggg
OK ... add-in a SBC 3/.384 mbs tier for $45 ... now what does cable have that SBC doesn't? (cable's max speed notwithstanding) |
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Freezone
join:2000-09-29
Southfield, MI
| reply to ronpin
said by ronpin  :
SBC could own the entire broadband market with a 6mbs/$60 deal.
Not true. T00 many people are out of that range to recieve it. And what is worse people that are in spitting distance of a CO fine that their wires are miles from it.
Now if the distrance rqs were trippled with some new technology then cable would be running for the hills.
I remember one of the intents of adsl was to provide video. Now that cable companies are providing phone perhaps bells need to fight back with strang video services. 6m down is more than fast enough for a good mpeg4/divx stream.
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insomniac
Oh Yeah
Premium
join:2002-09-22
Naperville, IL
clubs: | reply to ronpin
A bridged connection instead of PPPoE. It's unlikely I'll ever get SBC service as long as they're using PPPoE.
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Cybertoad
join:2001-11-08
Houston, TX
| said by insomniac :
A bridged connection instead of PPPoE. It's unlikely I'll ever get SBC service as long as they're using PPPoE.
I hate to bust your bubble but there isn't really
any performance difference between PPPoE and DHCP.
I was originally on DHCP at my first location and
when it switched to PPPoE, my speed actually increased
by 11% to my surprise.
Likewise, at my current location, I run nearly at
the full 6 Mbps in normal use and actually surpass it
when downloading large files.
There also has been no significant change in the
length of IP retention either. The average time
to keep the same IP was about the same. It's not
uncommon to keep the same IP for weeks and sometimes
even months on PPPoE. |
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Cybertoad
join:2001-11-08
Houston, TX
2 edits | reply to DSLarggggg
said by DSLarggggg :
unlikely, Cable still has the market on their side. Beside Cable currently can provide 10Mb throughput while ADSL can only do 8.
On the contrary ...
While Cable can theoretically provide 10 Mb, I have never
seen any cable provider actually operating at that rate.
The typical range for cable is between 1MB and 4MB.
To come to think of it, I don't even know any cable
providers right now that even go up to 5 Mbps,
much less 10 Mbps.
Meanwhile, DSL already has 6 Mbps publicly available
and on the market right now. Just a side note that
you might not be aware, DSL is also capable of much
more as well.
Just for your information, I was part of a testing project
four years ago involving DSL transmission in excess of
25 Mbps over 30 year old standard copper pairs. The test
was very successful and I imagine it's only a matter of
time before you begin seeing some of that new DSL transmission
technology emerging on the public market. Being that
was standard copper, just imagine what fiber could do. |
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Cybertoad
join:2001-11-08
Houston, TX
2 edits | reply to Freezone
said by Freezone :
T00 many people are out of that range to recieve it. And what is worse people that are in spitting distance of a CO fine that their wires are miles from it.
Actually most everywhere is already covered. The places
that will be out of range are mostly rural areas for the
most part and a few other non-rural areas but by far most
locations are now well within DSL range.
If you are in one of the few areas that still doesn't have
DSL available, you really are in the minority.
The thing you need to realize is that 7500 feet is only
between you and either the CO **OR** the RT.
RTs are currently just about everywhere and you see new
ones going up every day.
I happen to live in a small town with about 25 miles of
rural farmland between me and Houston and I am also more
than 13 miles wire distance to the CO yet I run at nearly
the maximum 6 Mbps .....
How is that?
Because while I am 13 miles from the CO, I'm less than
200 yards from the RT. Oh and that is just my RT. I've
got two other RTs less than 2 miles from my house.
People automatically assume the 7500 has to be their
distance from the phone company's central office (CO)
but that's not actually the case.
Within 10 miles of my house, I can name the locations
of more than 12 RT locations in every direction. It's
a no brainer to realize that you'd be well within 7500
feet no matter where you go in the area and remember
this is in fact a rural area so you'd expect the
coverage to be less than in the city.
The areas not covered are very few in number and growing
smaller as more and more RTs are deployed everywhere.
Now with that said, not all of the RTs currently
support the new 6MB profile. This means it still might
not be available to you but it has nothing to do with
your distance.
EDIT: The above is talking about SBC territory in Texas.
I don't know anything about the DSL coverages and deployment
in other states. |
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Morristown
@optonline.net | reply to Cybertoad
Optium Online (OOL) offers 10Mb service here in the New York tri-state area. |
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Bumpin1ohm
Bumpin1ohm
Premium
join:2002-07-15
Aurora, CO
clubs: | reply to Cybertoad
OOL
before you get capped for excessive use anyway |
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Freezone
join:2000-09-29
Southfield, MI
| reply to Cybertoad
The distance is a line distance. And this distance in the bells database is less than useless. And even with the rt too many customers are out o range. Actual numbers would be good here.
Bells already have the technology to increase distance, but they are too slow to deploy.
Imagine if the bells would not have been so slow with dsl just to protect the T1 market. I bet cable modems competition would not even be an issue. |
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dslx_netops
Linux Is Better
Premium
join:2003-10-20
Canoga Park, CA
| reply to Cybertoad
ahh but your wrong...
my whole neighborhood is between 14-30,000 feet from the co... with no rt available... i see pequals all the time of people just two far and the live in the middle of a city... i live in Orange county in a very very developed area, the distance factor is a huge issue |
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Healbot
Premium
join:2003-07-16
Vancouver, WA
| reply to Cybertoad
I am 13000 Feet from my CO, NO RTs I can only get up to 784k/128k. Yeah like DSL is going anywhere here. vancouver is huge and only 1/3 of the people can get DSL. I still think cable is way better of keeping their speeds, DSL is way to much (for me). And SBC isnt everywhere which people thinks, people keep on telling me get SBC for 26.95 but nooo I cant get it..... As for DSL (covad) offers 3mb/384k for 150 bucks (I can't even get that even if I wanted to pay for it)! Comcast is upgrading to 3mbs for under 50 bucks.....
It has everything to do with your distance because you can be 3 miles from your RT then your dead in the water |
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mrchris
We don't miss you Bush
Premium
join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Optimum Online
1 edit | reply to Bumpin1ohm
said by Bumpin1ohm :
OOL
before you get capped for excessive upload use anyway
Corrected, and that's if you use it way too much.
Download, they don't give a rat's ass how much you download. |
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Theman2006
join:2003-05-06
Bronx, NY | reply to Bumpin1ohm
you only get capped for excessvie use for uploading too much not downloading. I usally download @ 67 GB's per month and never have had any problems. But even with OOL upload capped it's still better than most DSL companies provide for uploads. |
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Bumpin1ohm
Bumpin1ohm
Premium
join:2002-07-15
Aurora, CO
clubs: | 67 gigs isnt jack
i have 1.5 and do over 160gb a month |
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Speedy8
Premium
join:2002-08-22
Alliance, OH
clubs:
| reply to ronpin
said by ronpin :
I'm not say'n it's not worth it -- but SBC's $100 deal is hardly a residential price-point. The $60 'Extreme deal is what I used to pay Charter for 1.5/.384 mbs. SBC could own the entire broadband market with a 6mbs/$60 deal.
I agree. I also have SBC's 6mbit package for $100 a month and also think it's a good deal. But damn, after seeing this server for $60 a month, I hope SBC lowers their prices eventually! |
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ackman
join:2000-10-04
Acworth, GA | reply to DSLarggggg
Maybe cable can provide up to 10Mb capacity, but that doesn't mean the sites you're connecting to will support that much speed, which are still subject to traffic volume. |
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The Way Out
join:2003-01-20 | reply to Cybertoad
I live in San Jose, CA and am almost 22k feet from my CO. The middle of Silicon Valley, and no hope of DSL. |
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