SYNACK
Just Firewall It
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join:2001-03-05
Venice, CA | The ZyWALL 70 Discussion thread
There is a news item, announcing the new ZyWALL 70 . Here is the place to discuss it. |
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dslsupreme
Zoinks
join:2002-07-08
Orlando, FL
 ·RoadRunner Cable
4 edits | More Zyxel vaporware with its features. One of the most attractive features (dual wan port load balancing) will be released in a future firmware release.
Hint to Zyxel: Don't advertise on features that you can't provide within 6 months of the product release.
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Anyway just an observation I've made of the last few products released by Zyxel. I know that just recently the Z10w received the packet scheduling feature that had many drooling over it on release [how long did that take?].
I guess you can always wait 9 months before buying a Z70, maybe that way the features you want will be more than just text on a website.
Overall however, the Z70 looks to be an awesome router. |
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hoby6
join:2001-01-25
Sioux Falls, SD | reply to SYNACK
Agreed... they really shouldn't advertise features that will end up taking forever to show up via firmware upgrades.
On another note, where is the Llama? How much does one of these babies run in $$USD? |
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ShawnZ1
join:2004-01-05
Anaheim, CA | #1 - Take everything you read on a press release from ZyXEL Taiwan with a grain of salt.
#2 - There has been no price set for the US market. Expect the product to be available in February, with pricing at the same time. |
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dslsupreme
Zoinks
join:2002-07-08
Orlando, FL
1 edit | I have a salt block for occasions just like this - LiCk. |
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Anav
Sarcastic Llama? Naw, Just Acerbic
Premium
join:2001-07-16
Dartmouth, NS
1 edit | reply to SYNACK
Short and sweet LOL.
If you loyally visited my website you would know that there is neither pricing nor product available. You will note that the information is from the Global site and not ZyXEL USA. ZyXEL Taiwan gets a bit excited (and understandably so) about their new products and posts information before its actually available. If nothing else it allows discussion and provides some early information and may aid some in their planning cycle - this posting of early information is not new and thus I am a bit surprized at the comments....... oh well must be a slow day, or some find it hard to fathom patterns 
The units have to be manufactured, shipped to NA and then pass ZyXEL USA (Just for Dr. TCP) PQA prior to being available for sale. The Z70 information will be posted to the ZyXEL USA site at the appropriate time.
Zoinks has given me a great idea though. I will have my regular discount value, but when new features come out in firmware I will up the cost by a certain percentage. That way, all will more fully appreciate the added benefits. Those that buy after features are added should ask Zoinks for some compensation, a case of beer or perhaps a case of Llama meat :-P. (I had to add that as others would have!!)
If you think this Zoinks inspired plan is good let me know. I may consider applying this to all units 
In fact, in his honour and incessant mooing I have decided to raise the value of the new ICard!
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Ain't nuthin but the blues! "Albert Collins".
Leave your troubles at the door! "Pepe Peregil". Just Don't Wifi without WPA, "Yul Brenner" |
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NetBoot
I Don't Suffer From Insanity, I Enjoy It
join:2003-04-21
Hazleton, PA | reply to SYNACK
I take it that ZyXEL doesn't have a trade up program? |
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dslsupreme
Zoinks
join:2002-07-08
Orlando, FL
3 edits | reply to Anav
Blah - Let me be bitter and cynical. |
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bbarrera
Premium,MVM
join:2000-10-23
Sacramento, CA
clubs:
 ·SureWest Internet
1 edit | reply to SYNACK
sweet hardware!
The hardware is a significant upgrade from 10w/30w, making it a very nice router for many organizations. I have several clients that could use a z70 without load balancing feature so I say bring on the new router and stop complaining about nice-to-have features yet undelivered.
For example this is a perfect router to use as an interior router, or as a vpn server for road warriors. I'd rather have a router with some raw horsepower than dual wan ports and failover.
Be nice to see Zyxel take a lesson from Detroit and use this new hardware platform for other routers -- even better if they could synchronize firmware across a new series of routers all based on z70. My real issue with multiple Zywalls in a company is having the same firmware release on different routers in the Zywall family. Too much of an IT burden to support different firmware and features on a collection of z10, z10-II and z2 models.
Which brings me to the next topic -- all we need now is centralized management! |
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DrTCP
Yours truly
Premium,ExMod 1999-04
join:1999-11-09
Round Rock, TX
1 edit | reply to dslsupreme
Re: The ZyWALL 70 Discussion thread
said by dslsupreme  :
How about actually delivering a finalized product. Sure there will be bugs, but I expect to get all of the features I want up front. I don't expect to wait 8 or 9 months and then realize I don't like the implementation or function of a feature that hindged my purchase.
Instead announce the hardware and features, then release it when its actually done. I can wait 9 months for a new router and I'm sure most people or businesses can wait too.
Well don't buy it if there is a feature that you need and it is not available yet. You make a decision based on availibility from competition, cost etc.
Howeever there will be some people that will be satisfied with even the current set of features. For example, those that would like to replace Z100 with a more powerful platform should seriously look to Z70. Much much faster CPU, a large amount of RAM and ROM space.
This is a rack mountable unit (with provided brackets). It is definitely not for average home user. It has full bandwith management (unlike Z10W which only has BW management lite).
WAN1 to WAN2 failower switching is awailable as well as policy based routing. Supports https and ssh management. Has a NAT table of 4096 entries.
I am sure there will be customers willing to pay for these right away...
Major missing features:
- WAN Load balancing
- Vantage Management Software (This is an optional product costing additional $$$)
- 802.11g compatible Wireless (you will probably want to add an independent 802.11g AP anyway)
- WPA (again related to wireless, you probably want independent AP anway)
So, there is really only one important item missing among advertised features. A fairly complete product to sell.
Moreover, it has been under beta test since early september (unlike so-called North American products which depend on the mercy of limited testing done by ZyXEL USA)
Dear llama: ZyXEL does not have a PQA in the USA. It only has some local product support people. These those functions are different! PQA faces R&D (Product Developers) while Product Support will face the customers. There is some communication between PQA and Support but support is naturally reactive. |
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Anav
Sarcastic Llama? Naw, Just Acerbic
Premium
join:2001-07-16
Dartmouth, NS
| said by DrTCP :
Moreover, it has been under beta test since early september (unlike so-called North American products which depend on the mercy of limited testing done by ZyXEL USA)
Dear llama: ZyXEL does not have a PQA in the USA. It only has some local product support people. These those functions are different! PQA faces R&D (Product Developers) while Product Support will face the customers. There is some communication between PQA and Support but support is naturally reactive.
Dearest Dr TCP: From my vantage point, it was due to the lack of testing by ZyXEL HQ on the ZX, and 2XW that precipated a more formal, lets call it LQA, local quality assurance (so that I do not confuse you with the official terminology used for PQA in Taiwan). You are correct, I do grant you this miniscule point, that ZyXEL USA does not work directly with the developers. On the other hand it is false to say they are only local support and solely reactive. In fact, they do local QA, prior to releasing to the market. They are proactive! Furthermore changes are made to product by Taiwan, if necessary, based on their testing, prior to release to the customer. Perhaps, a visit to Anaheim may provide some enlightenment as we both simply seek the truth Or you can pray a lot, but alas no guarantee for enlightenment.
I note the slow but sure acquiescense on your part, to the reality of engineers, labs and a full-bore oem/odm production component which requires much more than strictly phone support Progress!! Much better to fry the toad by turning the heat up in small increments slowly, such that he is cooked before realizing it. Look into my eyes, deeper, trust the Llama, life is good.
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Ain't nuthin but the blues! "Albert Collins". Leave your troubles at the door! "Pepe Peregil". Just Don't Wifi without WPA, "Yul Brenner" |
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