bilbo4fun
Premium
join:2002-02-18
Camden, SC
 ·Windstream
| I can't compete
Hi All,
I am a local ISP and sell DSL service. Verizon doesn't sell it here. Verizon charges me $37.50 per line 768/128 higher speeds are more. I still have to pay for my Internet bandwidth and equipment along with a frame-relay line, router etc. to them for DSL. Open up their lines??, give me a break. They will eventually come to this market and offer $29.99 a month DSL service. How can I compete? The telco's do what they want and we subsidize them??
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clecrupt9
join:2002-01-22
GA
1 edit | As long as that loop is owned by them, you can forget trying to play the game by their rules. And the sad part is that VZ has LD because they meet the "opening of the lines" requirement for 271 relief. Perhaps the Gov could begin looking at taking that away if a bell now is anti competitive. |
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gpancner
join:2001-09-27
Nine Mile Falls, WA | new govt. regulations have freed the local phone companies from the requirement to share their lines if they rebuild their systems and put fiber-optics in. If they continue to use copper instead of fiber, they are required to share their lines. |
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs:
 ·Comcast
| reply to bilbo4fun
said by bilbo4fun  :
Hi All,
I am a local ISP and sell DSL service. Verizon doesn't sell it here. Verizon charges me $37.50 per line 768/128 higher speeds are more. I still have to pay for my Internet bandwidth and equipment along with a frame-relay line, router etc. to them for DSL. Open up their lines??, give me a break. They will eventually come to this market and offer $29.99 a month DSL service. How can I compete? The telco's do what they want and we subsidize them??
Welcome to world of I payed for it and your leetching off it. They route it to your equipment and they own all the loop. You can't compete. Thats why you should look into something less expensive and more diverse such as wi-fi
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SBC ST
join:2003-08-05
Strongsville, OH | reply to clecrupt9
So let me get this straight. You would want the telco to open their lines, real cheap to you, let you resell or provide your own signal over their lines...and fix a rate so that they cannot compete with you. Okey. Makes sense to me. |
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clecrupt9
join:2002-01-22
GA
| It much more complicated than that.
First, SBC has long distance services because they meet criteria , one of which was open access to network elements.
Second, the prices at which SBC sets for network are the subject of debate- and you can make a case that SBC (and the others) intentionally try to drive this cost up to keep people out.
Third, the Bells make money off people who choose this as a business. That is to say that now you have a customer market ans a wholesale market. A lot of industries operate very successfully having wholesale units- the core company makes money either way. I don't see where the bells get hurt, other than in brand, which here in ATL is fading fast.
Time and time again these companies show their colors. They are monopolists any way you slice them. |
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hoyleysox
join:2003-11-07
Long Beach, CA | reply to bilbo4fun
Unless you oversubscribe your circuit.
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gpancner
join:2001-09-27
Nine Mile Falls, WA | reply to clecrupt9
Monopolists? Phone companies and cable companies are monopolists on video and broadband as much as mc'donalds is a monopolist of cheeseburgers. care for some cheese with your whine? |
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nunya
SEE ROCK CITY 475 MILES
Premium,MVM
join:2000-12-23
O Fallon, MO
clubs:
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| reply to bilbo4fun
Here's a thought. Raise some capital and invest in your own infrastructure. Better yet invent something new ans sue the $shit out of anyone that tries to use it. If they invent something better, buy it from them. This is how every other business in the US gets by. Why can't CLECs and DLECs learn how to operate a legitimate business? They always want a handout.
You act like telco copper is the only modus operandi to reach the end user. Get out of the 90's and take a look at some new transport technology.
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Theg NArlot
@gnilink.net
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Nobody is forcing you to rent Verizon's phone line. You're more than welcome to Build a CO, run lines from it to your customer's building, and run any service you can imagine over it.
Granted, you'd have to take the time to become a "utility company" in your locality. Verizon managed to do it.
suddenly ~$40.00/month doesn't sound like such a bad deal does it? |
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I_hate_bells
@Dial1.Dall
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Quote: "Here's a thought. Raise some capital and invest in your own infrastructure."
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That's not what the Bells have done. They talked the government into giving the a monopoly for 100 years. Their lines have all been subsidized by this monopolistic history, which NEVER should have happened to start with.
Let's not forget where all this copper infrastructure came from. It most definetly did *NOT* come from some company who took a gamble and invested fairly in building it alongside others in the same competitive game. It came from a government guaranteed monopoly where Bell was GUARANTEED a profit by the government, no matter how much they invested. No others were ALLOWED to invest in building a this infrastructure.
Not only that but Verizon and the other ILEC's did not even build any of this infrastructure themselves. They stole it from AT&T in 1984 by government fiat.
So all you Bell shills, your arguments are worthless. It's like you want to pretend nothing from 1880 to 1984 ever happened and everything is a level playing field. That's just like typical crapola you hear from a TWA union member.
OK you want it to be fair to the CLEC's and etc? You give them the same government assurance that they will always make a profit, make it so no one else can compete, make it so *by law* they actually own the phones inside your house, etc. etc., for 100 years just like Ma Bell had.
Then, it would be fair. Otherwise, you are just blowing smoke. |
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clecrupt9
join:2002-01-22
GA
| reply to gpancner
I like Beer much better than wine, pass me a miller lite if ya got one.
I have seen and been through enough to know first hand that, while limited competition exists, and C-lec's arent perfect, the Bells want to have a Monopoly.
Do some research on Fiber to the house and what the FCC has done, and see what other conclusion you can make. |
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mocycler
Premium
join:2001-01-22
Naperville, IL
 ·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T Midwest
| reply to bilbo4fun
While I hate to see anyone run out of a job, your business plan is fatally flawed in that you are depending on a competitor for the very resources you need to make money.
What do you expect them to do...sell you a circuit below their own cost just so you can turn a profit? Sounds like you're the one fishing for a subsidy.
I'm not a big fan of the ILECs, but you gotta be crazy if you think they are going to help you steal their customers.
I hope you stay in business, but I think your attitude is a greater threat than anything Verizon is doing.
Peace,
mocycler
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