biggbrother
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join:2001-11-07
Providence, RI
1 edit | Phone Line Maximum Length?
My father just got Verizon DSL and his computer is an different room from which the jack is in. I told him that running one of those phone cord extensions (i.e. Radio Shack brand) could have a negative affect on his DSL.
Installing a new jack in the room would be more work. Can anyone give me a decent amount of range for one of those phone line extensions, without affecting the DSL performance?
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M K
join:2003-11-19
Mahwah, NJ | I think the rule of thumb that I've heard batted about is 14 ft. The phone cord that VOL sends with the modem kit is 14' I believe. |
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herdfan
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join:2003-01-25
Hurricane, WV | reply to biggbrother
If you must run a line more than 14', then plug the modem in near the phone jack and run CAT5 line from the modem to the computer/router. You should not run into the CAT5 limits in the house. |
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Alex G Bell
join:2002-07-02
Boston, MA
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As long as the extension is at least cat-3 twisted pair (Radio Shack sells a 25' cable specifically designated for DSL use) you can run it all over the house without any noticable degredation in DSL performance.
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bklynite
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Brooklyn, NY
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Shoot, I used to have a 50 foot run of phone wire when I had DSL (2 25 foot cords coupled together). Still got great speeds. Luck of the draw maybe?
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Jnick
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Atkinson, NH
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I'm using a 25 footer with no problems. |
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Loco
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So Cal
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said by herdfan  :
If you must run a line more than 14', then plug the modem in near the phone jack and run CAT5 line from the modem to the computer/router. You should not run into the CAT5 limits in the house.
Exactly, but i recommend running it off the main phone block where the phone drop enters the residence....like i did.
My NID (phone & cable TV boxes) is on the side of my garage just below my electric meter. What i did was build a little utility closet inside my garage & put my modems, routers & switch in the closet....then i just ran a short cable & phone line right to the NID (the distance : 6 foot run).
Once that was done, i just ran all my CAT5 lines from the routers location to all the rooms in my house where our 6 pc's are located. I did a nice "clean" job by fishing all the walls with "glow rods" & knocked a small hole in the drywall & installed those RJ-45 wallplates. Made up a bunch of patch cables....plugged them into the wallplates & then into the NIC's & i was good to go.
We don't do that Mickey Mouse bullsh!t in this house. It's done right, or it isn't done at all..:+)
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Loco
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Alex G Bell
join:2002-07-02
Boston, MA
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 Very nice job; I have done something very similar, but put the boxes in a walk-in closet. Much better, as the cold and moisture present in your garage may eventually cause equipment problems.
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biggbrother
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Providence, RI
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said by herdfan :
If you must run a line more than 14', then plug the modem in near the phone jack and run CAT5 line from the modem to the computer/router. You should not run into the CAT5 limits in the house.
Hmmm.. I never even considered that. That's what I may do for him.
said by herdfan :
As long as the extension is at least cat-3 twisted pair (Radio Shack sells a 25' cable specifically designated for DSL use) you can run it all over the house without any noticable degredation in DSL performance.
Just in case the first option doesn't fly with him, is a CAT-3 cable sort of like a higher grade phone wire?
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herdfan
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Hurricane, WV
| said by biggbrother :
Just in case the first option doesn't fly with him, is a CAT-3 cable sort of like a higher grade phone wire?
That is correct. CAT 3 can also be used for 10BaseT networking, but it is limited to 10Mbps.
See a chart here. |
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Loco
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said by Alex G Bell :
;) Very nice job; I have done something very similar, but put the boxes in a walk-in closet. Much better, as the cold and moisture present in your garage may eventually cause equipment problems.
Cold weather & moisture ? You must think i'm up there in the North East where you're at..LMAO.
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Alex G Bell
join:2002-07-02
Boston, MA
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You must be in California then? I once had a device on my water meter (in my basement) that "called in" the meter reading to our city water department every week. The guy who installed it used a special phone jack with a sealant because, as he explained to me, "a little bug sometimes crawls in [the R-11 jack] and the connection does not work after that." Moisture can, in addition, corrode connections.
Also, watch the heat generated by stacking all your units on top of each other; this could be a problem on a hot Summer day.
Outside telephone cable is equivalent to "cat 3" in its specifications. Adding a couple hundred of feet more of cat-3 to your dsl line (if it is done properly) will only increase "your effective loop length" by that amount. If your loop comes out as, say 9000 feet "from the CO," then adding, say, 75 feet of cat-3 in addition to that from your NID/Splitter point to a jack in your house by your modem, will likely be effectively unnoticable in terms of your dsl performance.
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Alex G Bell
join:2002-07-02
Boston, MA | reply to biggbrother
And, yes, I know the Linksys stuff is designed to be stacked--I would avoid it anyway, however. |
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Loco
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And, yes, I know the Linksys stuff is designed to be stacked--I would avoid it anyway, however.
Yes, Alex...SoCal is it. Thanks for the heat tip, but i should shown a wider angle of my utility closet...i also have a small fan mounted off to the right. The fan stays on 24/7.
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herdfan
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Hurricane, WV
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said by Loco :
. I did a nice "clean" job by fishing all the walls with "glow rods" &
Please forgive my stupidity, but what are "Glow Rods"? |
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Alex G Bell
join:2002-07-02
Boston, MA
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The fan should do it! Now all you have to worry about is Brown Recluse Spiders making nests back there in your cable bundle. |
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Loco
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So Cal
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The glow rods that i have are "lime green" in color....i have 4 of them.
You can leave them out in the sunlight so they charge up.
After drilling a hole in the "top plate" of the wall, you run them down between the studs & you can see where they are because they're *glowing* in the wall.
Each glow rod is 4ft in length & they are made of fiberglass....so they can flex.
They each have the little metal screw-on connectors on the tips of them....this way they screw together so they are longer when fishing the walls.
You also attach your coax, phoneline or cat5 cable (whatever you're running) to end of the last glow rod so they pull right through the hole at the bottom of the wall.
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dick white
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Annandale, VA | ya learn something new every day. I wish I had some of those when I was running CAT5 all over my house...
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herdfan
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Hurricane, WV | reply to biggbrother
It sure seems like those would beat the hell out of fish tape and definitely a string with a washer tied to it .
I will be getting some of those. |
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