Bobcat
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join:2001-02-04
Bedminster, NJ
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to dvd536
Re: Speakeasy DSL
Hey, guys, I was simply pointing out that the original comment, "Speakeasy DSL... The only provider I know of that offers 3.0/768," was incorrect. There's at least one provider that offers higher speeds, and for less money too. I'm not saying that one is better than the other for any particular purpose, just that the original poster was incorrect (or uninformed).
Regarding OOL's capping policy, web browsing, heavy downloading, or gaming will not get you capped.
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Speedy8
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join:2002-08-22
Alliance, OH
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3 edits | reply to Nightfall
Wow, did both of you not read what I said completely or what? I said there are people with bad DSL and good cable as well, I didn't say DSL is always better. But from all of the research and talking with people I have done the past 6 years, DSL definitely has the edge overall.
Also, if you check out doctor ping since it has been reimplemented here on the site, DSL generally has more scores at the top, even though cable has higher penetration in the US. |
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Synon29
join:2003-09-13
Cabot, AR
| reply to Nightfall
If i had the choice between speakeasy dsl and ool I would probably choose speakeasy. I play alot of online games and download quite a few files, and do some heavy surfing. I couldn't be bothered with having to worry about my upload speeds being reduce, and things like that. Why give me a lamborghini and then give me a five gallon gas can. If you gave me speeds like that i'd definately want to use it. Besides most web sites that you visit don't really allow you to utilize your high download speed. |
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Synon29
join:2003-09-13
Cabot, AR
| reply to borborpa
Blah, the best that I can get in this area is 640/256. Well of course I could always get a t1 connection but I don't have the 1000 dollars a month that it would cost me. I guess in a few years I will catch up to the speeds that you guys used to have. hehe |
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Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
 ·Site5.com
·AT&T Midwest
 ·Comcast
| reply to Speedy8
said by Speedy8  :
No, DSL generally has lower latency. Most likely due to cable subscribers sharing nodes. When the upload speeds starts to get somewhat saturated on a node it can affect latency somewhat. Of course there are many exceptions. Some people have excellent latency on cable, and some people have really bad DSL. But overall cable has more bandwidth and DSL has better latency.
I guess I'm lucky though, because in my area my DSL has the most bandwidth available and the best latency.
To say DSL has better latency overall is a totally false statement. It all depends on the service you have and the area you have it in. This is why it is so important to do research the broadband in your area.
Sorry, but the whole "overloaded node" is incorrect. What is to say that your DSL node you are using is overloaded? I hear it all the time. The fact that DSL is better because you are connected right to to the pipe at the office while your cable modem has to connect to the neighborhood node. I believe it is a toss up personally. I have seen bad DSL with high latency as well as bad cable connections.
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| reply to Nightfall
said by Nightfall :
I have to admit....OOL is nice. Sure, there are people pointing out the drawbacks just because they can't get the service. I know if I could get it, I would have already gotten it. It is my hope that other companies will follow in the steps of OOL. 
I point out its negatives and positives to inform, not because i cant get it. there are plenty of people dumping OOL for Verizon DSL and those people are 'haves', not just someone who's a 'havenot' and is pissed because they cant get the service. OOL's download speed is insane but you will be hard pressed to find servers that can fill your pipe with realworld usage.
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| reply to Bobcat
said by Bobcat :
I get about 8000/900 (yes, 8mbit down) for $44.95 per month. So much for Speakeasy and their 3000/768.
YEAH!. but...
Speakeasy has reliable news and email and doesnt take 85% of its users upload away for what i call a very restrictive upload policy (Servers arent even a TOS issue even on res lines) lets see did i miss anything? oh yeah the yearly rate increases. of course this upcoming year the OOL wont see a rate increase(the video subs will be subsidizing them this year)
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TRUE while OOL has the fastest caps of any american cable company (10000 down and 1000 up) for a decent rate(even without video) is better than the other cable companies.
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YES speakeasy is expensive but they are worth it IMHO.
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borborpa
Slipping Slowly Into Oblivion
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join:2002-02-20
New Cumberland, PA
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·Speakeasy
| reply to rradina
My ping to the gateway is 10ms, and is 15-30 to the East Coast. 70ms to the west coast (which is great, considering the distance). Neither DSL or Cable is always better...it depends on the service.
Never, ever judge anything related to the internet based on AOL...
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Bobcat
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join:2001-02-04
Bedminster, NJ
·Verizon Online DSL
1 edit | reply to Speedy8
I disagree with your comment on latency. With my OOL 8000/900 cable, the ping time to the CMTS is about 8 msec.
When I had 1500/384 DSL, the ping time to the DSLAM was 18 msec. People who were not set up as DSL "fastpath" had ping times around 25 msec.
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Speedy8
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join:2002-08-22
Alliance, OH
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| reply to rradina
No, DSL generally has lower latency. Most likely due to cable subscribers sharing nodes. When the upload speeds starts to get somewhat saturated on a node it can affect latency somewhat. Of course there are many exceptions. Some people have excellent latency on cable, and some people have really bad DSL. But overall cable has more bandwidth and DSL has better latency.
I guess I'm lucky though, because in my area my DSL has the most bandwidth available and the best latency. |
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rradina
join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
| reply to Speedy8
Why do you say most cable companies have latency problems?
My only experience suggests exactly the opposite. Granted, my only experience with DSL is my father's AOL DSL but his response times to just about anywhere on the web are +100ms. In the same area, I have Charter cable Internet and I usually get 50ms to most areas of the Internet. He also experiences packet loss, I have no packet loss.
Is it common for DSL to have better latency than cable? I actually thought it was the other way around and that most folks that think cable has latency problems think that way before DOCSIS provided management to keep hogs from killing the network. |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
 ·PHONE POWER
 ·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T CallVantage
·Time Warner VOIP
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to borborpa
You can get 6000/608 out of SBC for $99.
Verizon has a 7100/768 tier but I think you can only get it out of a reseller and it's extremely pricey (cheapest I've seen is around $250 I think).
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Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
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join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
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·Comcast
| reply to Bobcat
I have to admit....OOL is nice. Sure, there are people pointing out the drawbacks just because they can't get the service. I know if I could get it, I would have already gotten it. It is my hope that other companies will follow in the steps of OOL.
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borborpa
Slipping Slowly Into Oblivion
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join:2002-02-20
New Cumberland, PA
clubs: | reply to Matt
That is the only problem with DSL...but if you are in range...it's nice!! |
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novaflare
The Dragon Was Here
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join:2002-01-24
Barberton, OH
| reply to Speedy8
said by Speedy8 :
Uh oh, here come the opt online people... Yes you get that speed in a very small area of the country, some people get 100mbit in parts of the country. But if it's not at least semi nationwide, who cares?
I pay for 6Mbit SBC DSL myself, it's great. Latency matters more to most people anyway than pure bandwidth, which most cable companies suck at compared to your average DSL provider.
Personally though I'd take 2500/2500 over 6000/608 if I could.
Im moveing to wireless 1500/1500 constant speeds with about the same bandwidth as a t1 (a tad less) so i should be able to down load 10 to 15 files simo bef i see any drop what so ever in my dl speed.
heh my provider is currently going to court the city desided his transmision tower needed a permit after the fact basicly one person said nope dont need a permit he erected it then building inspector comes out to check it for safty and tell him he needed a permit and has to take it down lol
any who i hate my current isp.
The techs are all morons always pointing the fingure at me even when i know for a fact its them ill be very happy to have the 1500/1500 con over my 3000/380s cable and no restriction so by god if i want to run a full blown web site i will 
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nothing00
join:2001-06-10
Centereach, NY
| reply to Bobcat
Optimum Online service
said by Bobcat :
I get about 8000/900 (yes, 8mbit down) for $44.95 per month. So much for Speakeasy and their 3000/768.
OK, but how are OOL's news servers? Do OOL subscribers have any problems sending friends or businesses email lately?
Oh wait, I know the answers to these questions... Speed isn't everything.
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
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| reply to borborpa
Re: Speakeasy DSL
said by borborpa :
The only provider I know of that offers 3.0/768
Ya, but good luck qualifying for it if you are ~14k feet from the CO.
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Speedy8
Premium
join:2002-08-22
Alliance, OH
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| reply to Bobcat
Uh oh, here come the opt online people... Yes you get that speed in a very small area of the country, some people get 100mbit in parts of the country. But if it's not at least semi nationwide, who cares?
I pay for 6Mbit SBC DSL myself, it's great. Latency matters more to most people anyway than pure bandwidth, which most cable companies suck at compared to your average DSL provider.
Personally though I'd take 2500/2500 over 6000/608 if I could. |
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MikeStammer
No prison can hold me
Premium
join:2002-12-26
Aurora, IL
| reply to Bobcat
said by Bobcat :
said by borborpa :
Speakeasy DSL
The only provider I know of that offers 3.0/768
I have the 1500/768, which is rock solid!! It's about $100 a month, so the cost is a bit high, but well worth it.
I get about 8000/900 (yes, 8mbit down) for $44.95 per month. So much for Speakeasy and their 3000/768.
Yea, and if you use too much upstream with OO you are done for. The down stream is nice, but DSL kicks OO's ass any day since its not metered in either direction.
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Bobcat
Premium
join:2001-02-04
Bedminster, NJ
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to borborpa
said by borborpa :
Speakeasy DSL
The only provider I know of that offers 3.0/768
I have the 1500/768, which is rock solid!! It's about $100 a month, so the cost is a bit high, but well worth it.
I get about 8000/900 (yes, 8mbit down) for $44.95 per month. So much for Speakeasy and their 3000/768.
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