Techie2000
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Then offer them a la carte style. You just pay for the individual channels that you want....
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oliphant5
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Corona, CA | That's what they're looking to do. Separate out the gougers like ABC, Fox and ESPN. |
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Techie2000
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| No not the stupid packaging stuff that they are doing where you pay $10 a month for basic or $80 a month for expanded with all the "gougers" but rather you pay $0.08 a month for CBS, $3 for ESPN, etc.
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That sounds nice and dandy, but in my case they have taken sport channels I once had and only given me a $.50 credit for those lost channels. If I want to subscribe to those channels it'll cost me at least an additional $4.00. How does that add up? It would be nice if they took off almost the same amount of money from your bill for those channels as it is to subscribe to them.
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Speaking of ESPN they keep showing less good stuff. They picked up the NBA and their NHL coverage has suffered. NoW they are wasting time in the morning showing that stupid "Cold Pizza" show. Spike TV, Cold Pizza and American Movie Classics that shows the same garbage that is on TNT and TBS. Where do they find these idiots.
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said by oliphant5  :
That's what they're looking to do. Separate out the gougers like ABC, Fox and ESPN.
Funny thing is that I recall the sports channels were "a la carte" for a while back in the 80's. It's just an ugly vicious cycle reinventing itself.
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1 edit | To me I could care less if they're dropped. I could live without watching the world championship of poker, log rolling or 20 year old world series games.
Playmakers and an occasional HDTV football feed simply isn't worth paying extra for.
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To me I could care less if they're dropped. I could live without watching the world championship of poker, log rolling or 20 year old world series games.
the world championship of poker is the best thing on espn! seriously!
but what is with the new espn soap opera? i saw the commericals for that a while back, and i just laughed my ass off.
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golden eagle
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I hear where you are coming from but the problem with this stance is that it's not only ESPN but all the Sport Program providers that will end up going on a pay for tier basis and my biggest fear is that it won't end there.
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oliphant5
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It started out good...like The Sopranos did for the underworld, Playmakers gave a look behind the scenes of the NFL...pressure on players, team doctors, league politics...then VERY quickly went downhill.
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I'm sure it won't. And it's not just sports...all of Disney's programming, not just ESPN is going up at these huge rates. If it were just 1 or two channels, the cable and DBS operators would probably just absorb the costs, but when you have 10 or 15 of 50-80 non-premium channels taking these massive increases...they have to try and controll it, or create a sports tier and slap, Speed, the ESPN's, Fox Sports (and their out of region digitals) on their own tier. Then people who want it, can pay and get it.
This is a two fold solution. 1, people who want it can still get it...which IMHO is a better solution than just dropping it. 2, it puts pressure on the programmers as they see their viewship tank because now those like me who while sports fans, aren't that impress with ESPN and Fox can pass and stick with the broadcast affiliates.
It's just like HD...I pay $5 for an HD tier and understand that it wouldn't really be "fair" for everyone to cover the costs of HD since the majority don't watch HD.
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You get the smaller credit because the cost was divided by more people.
For example, you have 100 people paying a dollar each to cover $100 the operator is charged (plus their margin) for the programming so when it's split off, you would get the $1 back.
Now when it is split and say 25 people sign back up...they're paying now $4 to buy that programming. Unless the cable operator can sell the programming on a per customer basis like they do HBO...then it would logically cost more to get it back than what you go to give it up.
The benefit comes if you didn't watch it at all...then you're just getting .50 back for a channel you never watched. And what cable programmers are seeing with ratings of channels like ABC Family, is hardly anyone watches it, yet it costs the cable provider and thus their customers a small fortune to carry to the majority of customers benefit by the dropping or moving of the programming...SO LONG AS they actually monitarily get something back either, no further price increase or an actual decrease like you received.
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said by Techie2000 :
Then offer them a la carte style. You just pay for the individual channels that you want....
Actually the oringinal catv did this but they found that they lost money as a result because some people wouldn't take 20 infomercial channels. |
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oliphant5
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1 edit | They are paid by the channels to carry info channels...not by subscribers.
What would most likely happen is you'll see more tiers with the price gougers all on their own tier. |
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said by oliphant5 :
I'm sure it won't. And it's not just sports ...
Ok so if it's not just sports then the "cancer" has already spread and my biggest fear has been realized. ... my biggest fear is that it won't end there. ...
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oliphant5
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1 edit | Part of the Consumer report was true...it's mergers...but not by cable giants...but my the programmers. When we see the complaints about the ESPNs and ABC Family...that's Disney. All of Disney's channels are imposing these increases, which is why for the longest time, a lot of cable distributors had The Disney Channel a la carte. When no one bought, they dropped the price to get it on expanded basic tiers. We also see these merged programmers holding one network hostage to get another network carried. This is what happened with ABC Family. They threatened Dish Network to deny rebroadcast rights for the ABC Network of DN didn't carry ABC Family.
Now they're back at it again with their other new purchased networks...and finally cable and DBS providers are saying no to the huge increases.
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Cold Pizza what a stupid ass show. Lame, lame and more lame.
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oliphant5
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1 edit | And maybe ESPN is facing operating cost increases as part of it...but consumers shouldn't be paying for ESPN's poor judgement in starting up crap like Cold Pizza or overbidding for sports broadcast rights.
I mean hell...I just looked at what ESPN has on right now...billiards! They want to charge cable operators a 20% increase and they're showing billiards!?!
They're dreaming.
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said by morbo :
but what is with the new espn soap opera?
i tried watching the first episode. the first 10 minutes made me 50% dumber so i changed the channel 
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Sure, but Disney owns both ABC and ESPN. While you could easily move ESPN into a sports package tier, Disney can use ABC as leverage against doing so. A high percentage of people would be displeased to lose a major network like ABC because they were in a squabble. Time Warner and Disney got into it and ABC was blacked out right around the time "Who wants to be a Millionaire?" premiered. Stuff like that is very costly to the cable company, as it can trigger anyone "on the fence" to get on the phone and order satellite.
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