danno86
join:2003-10-10
Jacksonville, FL
| reply to JTRockville
Re: Home Networking is ON!
Data Ho, when you say "daisy-chained" are you referring to hooking YOUR equipment into comcast's? I would pay for the HN to get the speeds if there was a way I could use my own equipment in conjunction with there's....the only thing I need to have control of is port forwarding, for the different services I use on my different machines.
-danno |
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JeepMatt
Delaware Fios
Premium
join:2001-12-28
Wilmington, DE | reply to rody_40
Nice one Rody-
Nahhh.. I didn't need a wireless card. One's already built into my laptop..
How much you think he'll get for it?
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imrf
Premium
join:2002-06-06
Utica, MI
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·WOW Internet and C..
| said by JeepMatt  :
How much you think he'll get for it?
Should be $0. They are being closely monitored. If they were to install one in your house, they have to write down the serial number of the NIC on your work order, then dispatch will add it to your account later on. That way they know how many NICs to charge the customer when/if they cancel the service and do not return the cards. This only applies to the new wireless NICs(PCMCIA or USB) not the regular wired PCI, ISA, or USB NICs. |
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JTRockville
Data Ho
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join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD
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| reply to danno86
Yes, but when I was a CHSI subscriber I didn't have the HN plan, I had two of my own routers coming off the rented cable modem with a silver subscription. (I did the silver-pro-silver tango, but that was before I had both routers)
On Comcast, I eventually had:
Surfboard 4100 (rented)
to
Cisco 1605-R (used for traffic shaping, has only 1 port)
to
US Robotics 8000 (NAT with 4 ports, a com port for a dialup modem, and a printer port)
But then I ditched the Surfboard+CHSI and replaced it with a WIC+T1.
I'm guessing you could have the same sort of configuration with Comcast's modem/router combo, but I have no idea which features of their router Comcast allows you to configure. Hopefully JeepMatt will shed some light tonight. |
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JTRockville
Data Ho
Premium,MVM
join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD
clubs: | PS: I use the term: "my own" loosely. While this equipment is in my possession, I don't actually own any of it. |
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Kylemaul
Lovin' My Firefox 1.5.x
Premium
join:2001-03-30
North Port, FL
clubs:
·Verizon FIOS
|  reply to JeepMatt
Watch out for 633MHz downstream!
As an x-Comcast tech, I would like to share an issue that affected several customers in the Seattle area.
In certain areas, the cable modem will acquire a downstream frequency lock of 633MHz. When people put these cable modems too close to any 2.4GHz wireless equipment, it has a negative affect on the cable modem. This problem becomes very obvious when running ping tests. Pings will be sporadic (from much higher to timeouts) if the modem is getting iterference from the 2.4GHz equipment.
I find it very interesting that Comcast has chosen the wireless setup for this very reason. Perhaps their newer modems have better shielding to prevent this from becoming an issue.
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danno86
join:2003-10-10
Jacksonville, FL
| reply to JeepMatt
Re: Home Networking is ON!
Hmmm, does anyone know if there is a way to put up a DMZ using Comcast's equipment? Because couldn't you DMZ the port that you have your own equipment plugged into? And then, forward the ports you want using your equipment? I'm probably way off here...but it was just a thought.
-danno |
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cairey
join:2003-01-27
Parkville, MD
| reply to JeepMatt
I have spent about $500 on a new modem, router, 802.11a WAP, pcmcia, and desktop card. There is no way I would pay to #1 be charged for something I can do in 30 seconds, #2 be forced to use THEIR equipment, and #3 accept 1 Ip address. I basically have the same setup for A LOT less. The only difference is the speed. The deal itself seems interesting if there was no setup and you could use your own stuff. It will be interesting to see how many people choose to switch. |
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imrf
Premium
join:2002-06-06
Utica, MI
·Comcast
·WOW Internet and C..
| said by cairey :
#3 accept 1 Ip address.
You already accept this if you have your router plugged directly into the modem. All the IP addresses your computers have are assigned by the router, not Comcast. With the HN setup from Comcast you still get the same standard 1 public/routable IP address and a max a 5 private/non-routable IP addresses behind the router. But as it stands, the only way to get the package is to use their modem/router combo there is no way around this. |
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alalper
Premium
join:2000-08-20
Philadelphia, PA |  But, you are limited to 5 NAT addresses.  |
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oliphant5
Got Identity?
Premium
join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA
| Just add another (or keep your old) router behind the HN router. |
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crowdx
join:2001-10-12
Concord, CA
|  reply to JeepMatt
So for me it would cost me an extra $12 to get a 4mbps download and also get use of a wireless router, was thinking of getting a wireless router, would be nice to have a legit one from Comcast rather than the present hardwire router.
Is VERY tempting, I currently have 1,7 down in California Bay area, wondering when the new speeds get here,, this might just be a better option, faster upload also,, pretty much blows Pro out of the water
Patrick |
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JeepMatt
Delaware Fios
Premium
join:2001-12-28
Wilmington, DE
·Verizon FIOS
| 2 Screen Shots
Here are two screen shots for you from the Networking Internal screen..
There are areas for you to set up DMZ / VPN access, Port Forwarding, etc.
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oliphant5
Got Identity?
Premium
join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA
| That's actually really cool. Any diag screens to see your caps like some modems do (and DOCSDIAG)?
After seeing all this, I'll think I'll pony up the $15 for HN.
Also, I saw your speed test earlier, around 3.8Mb...are you in an area with traffic shapping. When I had CCPro I would post in the mid 4Mb range with 3.8 caps because of bursting. I'm wondering if you don't have traffic shaping if you aren't reaching your caps because of other 3Mb traffic or if they've actually set the cap at 4Mb instead of allowing for TCP overhead like they do on the lower plans. |
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crowdx
join:2001-10-12
Concord, CA | reply to JeepMatt
Re: Home Networking is ON!
I may have missed it in the post, but were you already with Comcast? How long for them to come and install it.
Patrick |
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JeepMatt
Delaware Fios
Premium
join:2001-12-28
Wilmington, DE
·Verizon FIOS
| Oli-
No, we don't have TS here yet - but I use the DU Controller that was talked about it another post.
Yeah, the internal pages are cool - can't see cap info - but there are screens for signal strength, etc.. that I didn't show here.
Crowdx-
Yeah, I already had service - called on Wednesday, got my appointment for today, but that was only because of my schedule. Could have had it hooked up last Friday.
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alalper
Premium
join:2000-08-20
Philadelphia, PA
| reply to oliphant5
said by oliphant5 :
Just add another (or keep your old) router behind the HN router.
Please explain how to make that work with 2 different routers assigning NAT addresses.
I have tried it here (for a different reason) and it would not work. I had to disable the router part of the 2nd router and use it strictly as an access point. |
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oliphant5
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join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA
| It works fine for me. I have 2 routers on my home network a Zywall 2X and a Linksys 54g. My Zywall issues IPs via static DHCP (static meaning it assign specific IPs to particular MACIDs) then the linksys picks up its IP from the Zywall and acts as DHCP server to the computers (in my case a laptop and lan party rig) attached to it.
At my office it's much the same thing, a netgear RT311 running as a DHCP client to Verizon and also as a DHCP server to my Sonicwall SOHO3. Then the Sonicwall SOHO3 acts as a static IP DHCP server (again, handing out particular IPs to specific MACIDs so the clients IPs are always the same).
It just works. The main thing you want to remember, is quite a few routers use the same IP addresses or their DHCP range (range of IPs handed out by the DHCP server) can overlap. Meaning if one router is 192.168.0.1 with a range of 192.168.0.2-192.168.0.25 for example, the other router needs to be something different like 192.168.1.1 with a DHCP client range of 192.168.1.2-192.168.1.25. If course you would only need the ranges to be as big as you need them.
In your case to make it simple, you would have the first router a DHCP client (obtain IP automatically) from your ISP, then that same router acts as DHCP server for the next router which would be set up to obtain an IP automatically (DHCP client) and then that 2nd router acts as DHCP server for the rest of the network.
So it could look something like this
ISP IP assigned to router A WAN 64.12.4.6 (the IP of your router as seen from the Internet)
IP of router A as seen by your network (set by you) 192.168.0.1
DHCP client range of IPs handed out by router a 192.168.0.2-192.168.0.10 (note that these IPs won't pass through router B and get picked up by any computers on the other side)
IP assigned to router B by router A (the first IP of the range 192.168.0.2)
The IP address of router B as seen by the network (set by you) 192.168.1.1
DHCP client range of IPs handed out by router b 192.168.1.2-192.168.1.10
Your network computers would then be assigned IPs in the range of 192.168.1.2-192.168.1.10 and to reach the config screens of router A you put in 192.168.0.1 and to reach the config screens of router B 192.168.1.1.
So if you were to run a trace route from one of your computers, eg 192.168.1.2
It would go through
192.168.1.1
192.168.0.1
Before going out to the internet
Because routers just "appear" as computers there is no problem with NAT...just an addition ms of latency...maybe. And unless I just had a complete brain fart the above example setup should work.
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crowdx
join:2001-10-12
Concord, CA
| reply to JeepMatt
Well I just got off the phone with Comcast and they said it is not available in my area yet, they said it just got launched here today but that my area was just outside the available area,, also asked about the new download speeds and she said it would be December.
So seems my area sucks for the moment :-(
Patrick |
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oliphant5
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join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA
| I don't know where Concord is in Cali but according to the "leaked" speed increase rollout dates, the Sacramento area is 12/1, Frisco area 12/16 and SoCal 1/13 (of course I'm near the bottom).
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