pureDizzo
join:2002-12-08
Scottsboro, AL
| reply to BosstonesOwn
Re: bahhhh
Rural areas is a problem. But what gets me pissed to the point of insanity is WHY in the world. In the metro/town area where we have cable/dsl do they not offer any faster speeds to compete with other broadband providers. For example. I have 512x256 and pay $28.00 a month, while charter in this area offers 1.5x128 for maybe $35.00-45.00...
I cant get charter due to an appartment contract with the city power board. So im stuck until I get a house. But still why cant the power board offer more bandwidth to thier customers when they have a monopoly of the town by offering cheap service for a cheap price. And if so many people are with the power board then that means the available bandwidth is even more clogged, which in turn more crappy speeds and packet loss issues. They have other providers like CenturyTel DSL scared off, making them think they cant pay for thier hardlines and upgrading thier Central offices DSLAM in the long run in fear of not having enough customers to foot the bill... 5 miles down the road you can get dsl with Ctel. 5 miles back this way you cant. Its just as populated. I dont understand the minds in control of the IT industry. If it were my buisness Id have broadband funding pumping, homes in all areas broadband ready, and people of all ages would be satisfied. |
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oliphant5
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join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA
| reply to new2it
In many areas, WISP is a excellent cost effective solution. In my neighborhood we all got tired of waiting for cable and DSL and 2 guys got together and started a WISP. Now that Comcast is here, they're still profitable charging only $25/mo for up to 1500/1500 service. Typical speeds when I had it were 1200/600...for $25 that's a great deal and they didn't care what you did so long as they didn't go to jail 
Problem is people always look to gov't to solve their problems for them when the best way to solve problems is to use our freedom and fix it for ourselves.
That said, once a muni is set up or a neighborhood WISP is established they should be aggressively protected by antitrust law as what typically happens is a big company finally shows up and levies predatory pricing just long enough to run the small business under.
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Spiro0
join:2003-08-04
Austin, TX |  reply to oliphant5
-- What luxury should be taxpayer funded next? Cell phones?
This probably happened already. |
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zroach
@NIPR.MIL
| reply to nunya
To add my $.02
I just signed up with a Wireless ISP this weekend. A man and his son run it part-time. I get good speeds; not as fast as cable but a heck of a lot better than dial-up. It costs me less then cable would (if I could get it), but I can upgrade my speeds for a higher price if I wanted. Just this year, 3 Wireless ISPs started operating in my area. These guys just happened to be the ones with the best signal to my house. All of the companies are looking for locations where they can put repeaters. It won't be long before most of my area is covered.
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new2it
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join:2001-10-06
midwest
| reply to oliphant5
You know what, I happen to agree with this. I live in the boonies, have for many years. Its very peaceful out here.
The last thing I want is for Uncle Sam to become my neighbor. When I got tired of dial up speeds, I went for broke and went on satellite. Yep its much more expensive, but I, and not the taxpayers am paying for it. Why the hell should they? I chose to live here. If your going to buy property, and high speed internet is important to you, U just best pass up that little place in the country, cause that just ain't gonna happen.
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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you and me both bud... |
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jimahrens
join:2002-05-30
Owego, NY | reply to nunya
shoot all the polititions
then line up the laywers
ummm...then what? |
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nunya
SEE ROCK CITY 475 MILES
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join:2000-12-23
O Fallon, MO
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| reply to nunya
If you can find a way to make full fiber deployment profitable in low population areas, I'm all ears.
Most of the nations infrastructure was built without government funding. Some notable exceptions would be the REA and the TVA which usually went to co-ops.
I don't thing the M.O.T is the issue. People don't care how they get their connection, just as long as they get one at a reasonable price.
Why should the government be handing out tax dollars to corporation worth millions when people like me are trying to roll out with sweat equity and hard work? Maybe I'm bitchy because I don't qualify. Why give money to the companies that already can afford deployment? If they don't see fit to deploy now, give it a while and I (or someone like me) will. It's a capitalist economy. If the big guys don't want the risk, I do. This is America for goodness sakes.
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oliphant5
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join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA
| reply to ooluser
LOL. Yeah, we would lose some corporate welfare and perhaps be able to get more tax money returned to those that paid it. You can't equate broadband deployment with police or other essential services.
Who paid for your OOL service deployment? Uh, customers like you did...along with private investors.
So why while Cablevision pays for its deployment should another profit laden corporation get free money at the taxpayer's expense.
If these people in the boonies want broadband, let then ban together and pay for it through either a WISP or muni network...or wait for other private interests to deploy. It's not the job of joe taxpayer to fund people's luxuries.
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ooluser
@optonline.net
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Don't you realise that without government funding, we wouldn't have a lot of the things we have today. I'm quite sure that power and telephone service was rolled out on government funds, contracted to the companies.
This is the same way, in the 21st century we need government funding to better improve our communications. How in god's name are we going to live in the coming years on century old copper lines that are way past there usage limits. Copper was designed for analog telegraph and voice communications, not transferring files around the world via computer.
It's time we upgrade our copper with an unlimited source of bandwidth, fiber optics. It's only limited by the hardware at both ends which can be easily upgraded over time.
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oliphant5
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join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA
| reply to nunya
There should be no federal funding of this crap. Of local municipalities are interested in deployment, let THEM build a muni broadband network and let THEM pay for it.
What luxury should be taxpayer funded next? Cell phones?
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Dewi
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join:2001-09-28
united kingd
| reply to Karl Bode
Sort of like the infamous (much mangled by me) Alfalfa analogy (credit I think to the Novel Catch 22).
Farmer John gets paid $1000 by the government not to grow Alfalfa on his 5 acres. There is too much Alfalfa. Farm John takes the $1000 not to grow Alfalfa and buys an another acre, not to grow Alfalfa on. Next year, the government pays Farmer John $1250 not to grow Alfalfa on 6 acres. There is to much Alfalfa. Next Year Farm John buys an additional 1.25 acres not to grow Alfalfa on ... (etc etc etc) |
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nunya
SEE ROCK CITY 475 MILES
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join:2000-12-23
O Fallon, MO
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| reply to nunya
It's not going to Bells. It's going to "Mom-and-Pop" ILECs and Co-op's who have no intention of promoting "real" broadband. Some of the hurdles are catches such as the population of the town (and adjoining towns), free service to schools, libraries, etc...
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Karl Bode
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| reply to nunya
Ironic if say a bell is getting subsidized to deploy to rural areas they wouldn't deploy to because they were waiting for "regulatory clarity". They'd in essence be paid to hold off deployments in a sense....
Though I think many of these loans are either going to communities or small providers.....what hurdles did you face? |
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nunya
SEE ROCK CITY 475 MILES
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join:2000-12-23
O Fallon, MO
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| All the money goes to corporations who need it the least. I'm trying to push broadband into the "boonies" myself. When I went to fill out the paperwork for this program, it became painfully clear that this is intended for large corporations and not the little people actually bringing broadband out rural areas.
So what it does is give larger companies an unfair advantage over me. They get free venture capital while I'm working 16 hrs a day trying to scrape it together.
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