oliphant5
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Since the telco-shills claim that there is no government deployment money used to build infrastructure. |
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| said by oliphant5  :
Since the telco-shills claim that, after stealing it all for their own personal use, there is no government deployment money used to build infrastructure.
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nunya
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Here we go again. Maybe you ought to look into this a little closer. I started to fill out the 70 page application, but became disheartened after reading the outrageous requirements. There is little encouragement for "true" rural deployment. The only ones getting money out of this are Mom and Pop's and co-op's (Small and mid size ILECs and FB-CLECs). You are partially correct that the money will not be used for its intended purpose. Most will roll out some sort of Pseudo Broadband and charge an outrageous fee for the privilege. Meanwhile people such as small WISPs, who can actually provide a decent bb service, are struggling to raise the capital to set up POPs. Either make the money obtainable by every true provider, or no provider.
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oliphant5
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Corona, CA | Doesn't change the fact that telcos still take taxpayer money for deployement. |
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nunya
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Show us. |
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oliphant5
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| You say that every time, and I show you every time.
Here is a nice example $2.1 Billion: »Pennsylvania Showdown
»www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/5210654.htm
And another example, another $50 million:
»PA Broadband Debate Continues
Bookmark it this time and CC it to Boogie.
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nunya
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| "The expiring legislation, passed in 1993 and known as Chapter 30, removed certain regulatory burdens, including caps on profits, on Verizon and other phone carriers in exchange for commitments to upgrade their networks to provide statewide broadband service by 2015."
Did you think nobody would bother to look? PUHLEESE. Tax incentives are not public funding. Almost every big time employer in the entire country gets tax incentives on the local, state, or federal level.
The Ford plant here in town gets a tax break. I guess that every Ford is built using public money. The steel plant paid a big fat 0 in taxes this year. I guess that means all of that steel produced belongs to "the people".
If you want to talk about phone companies ripping off the public, let's talk about MCI Worldscum.
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Did you think nobody would bother to look? PUHLEESE.
This guy is STILL putting links up in hopes that no one reads them?? What's worse is that he's putting up links that go to op-ed pieces by Karl Bode on BBR.
He's not worth your time to even argue with- he really should get a job or something- cuz he sure doesn't work in telecom with his "knowledge"
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Tax breaks earmarked for a single company isn't a subsidy? $2.1 Billion to a SINGLE COMPANY in exchange for DEPLOYMENT isn't a subsidy? In exchange for deployment, they got to keep $1.5 billion they would have paid the government...the OTHER $600 million wasn't. So how in your twisted logic is that not the government paying for the deployment? How is the government giving back billions that were owed by A PARTICULAR COMPANY in exchange for deployment by THAT PARTICULAR COMPANY not public funding of that deployment? The rewriting of the dictionary is nice, but makes you look really silly.
Oh, and nice clipping there sport, how about telling the whole story: quote:
In 1994 Verizon (then Bell Atlantic) struck a landmark deal with the state, which provided Verizon with hefty financial incentives if they met certain broadband rollout criteria. It's estimated that those financial incentives over the years wound up clocking in at somewhere around $2.1 billion dollars.
PUHLEESE...you really need to get hooked on phonics and at least make a vague attempt at telling the truth rather than telco spin.
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said by boogie74 :
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Did you think nobody would bother to look? PUHLEESE.
This guy is STILL putting links up in hopes that no one reads them?? What's worse is that he's putting up links that go to op-ed pieces by Karl Bode on BBR.
He's not worth your time to even argue with- he really should get a job or something- cuz he sure doesn't work in telecom with his "knowledge"
Boogie
Boogie...more hand holding is necessary I see. You really need to take some reading classes. And wow, I didn't know Karl wrote for the Philly Inquirerer...again you seem to have a real trouble telling the truth.
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Out of the 2.1 billion dollars received in the deal, $1.5 billion of it consisted of extra tax deductions.
So what was the other SIX HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS shill? Only in your shill filled mind is the gov't giving a telco money, not a gov't giving a telco money.
Give it up Boogie...you make these insane claims and are shot down time and time again. Just how much are the telcos paying you anyway?
What's next...you going to claim the telcos don't take increases again? It would be nice, we're all in need of a good laugh.
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