armyrebel4
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|  Thanks for the support
Geeze, talk about quick to respond. I think this is why there has to be a national broadband infrastructure...I know it may sound dumb but what else is going to happen an increase in city deployment?? Of course this may not be the time to talk about more construction since the economy is in bad shape right now...
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ronpin
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join:2002-12-06
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| I'm so SURPRISED! (and understanding)
This only confirms the obvious for anyone who has seriously looked at FTTH. The numbers definitely don't work if you have to buy the bandwidth -- and now we see that even if the bandwidth is "free" -- the numbers don't work - mainly because we consumers just won't pay what FTTH is really worth.
The ONLY hope for FTTH lies in the hands of mavericks (like me!) Thanks SBC for my marching orders.
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drakkkar
join:2003-02-07
Houston, TX
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Re: Thanks for the support
said by armyrebel4  :
Of course this may not be the time to talk about more construction since the economy is in bad shape right now...
That is exactly the time for Government to spend on imporving our infrastructure. It creates jobs in the short term. It improves our infrastructure so that there can be a real, sustainable, recovery. Temporary spending to create jobs and make long term infrastructure improvements makes more sense during a recession than giving huge tax breaks to the rich (who already spend all they want to).
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sherpaboy
join:2001-07-06
Seattle, WA | Where would you like the money to come from?
Are you willing to chip in for the $2000.00 it will take to get fiber to my Grandma's home? |
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morbo
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| said by sherpaboy :
Where would you like the money to come from?
Are you willing to chip in for the $2000.00 it will take to get fiber to my Grandma's home?
simple: take a portion of the 1 billion a week we are spending in the never ending war in Iraq and there you go.
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JakCrow
join:2001-12-06
Palo Alto, CA
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said by sherpaboy :
Where would you like the money to come from?
Are you willing to chip in for the $2000.00 it will take to get fiber to my Grandma's home?
How about they take it out of the extra fees state governments were allowing the telcos for promises broken? |
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bobburn
join:2003-08-15
Clarksville, TN | reply to morbo
first of all, if it wasnt for morons like you we would of done away with Iraq when that piece of crap Clinton was in office. 2nd of all fiber to home isnt that impossible www.switchpointnetworks.com |
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morbo
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| said by bobburn :
first of all, if it wasnt for morons like you we would of done away with Iraq when that piece of crap Clinton was in office. 2nd of all fiber to home isnt that impossible www.switchpointnetworks.com
clinton didn't get us into a never ending war now did he?
it's people like you who are too dense to see the real purpose of the war. just keep drinking your schlitz and look out your trailer window at the neighborhood rats every once in a while. is that your kid digging in the trash?
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KrK
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| reply to sherpaboy
How many households are there in America?
Census data says about 120 million. OK
$2k each, means 240,000,000,000. Two Hundred Forty Billion to wire every household in America.
And I'd be willing to bet that if such a large infrastructure project was under way the prices of the equipment would drop due to mass production, so, it would probably cost less.
The first year of Iraqi occupation is estimated to cost us $170 billion. I don't know what the actual war cost, but it's safe to say this War has cost us as much as it would take to have Nationwide FTTH. The problem is, they are talking like we'll be in Iraq for 10 years.
Ouch.
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oliphant5
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Corona, CA | reply to morbo
Nice troll sport. |
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oliphant5
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Why aren't all you anti-Iraq types bitching about WWII and Korea costs? We're STILL in Germany and Japan. We're STILL in South Korea. Vietnam cost 12% of the U.S. economy while the war in Iraq is costing less than .5% of the U.S. economy.
Just more of the same liberal hypocrisy. Why don't we cut welfare expenditures by $170 billion to pay for it? Hell this new medicare prescription program is planned to cost $470 billion (and we all know the estimates for any entitlement are FAR below actual costs) alone.
Liberals seem to have no problem blowing BILLIONS on EVERYTHING EXCEPT national security interests.
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| "Why aren't all you anti-Iraq types bitching about WWII and Korea costs? We're STILL in Germany and Japan. We're STILL in South Korea."
LOTS of us bitch about those things. South Korea is a rich nation fully capable of defending itself. They don't even like America. The S. Korean president ran on an anti-American platform. They're far more afraid of Bush than of the N. Korean dictator.
"Liberals seem to have no problem blowing BILLIONS on EVERYTHING EXCEPT national security interests."
The Iraq war has nothing to do with national security - at least, not the security of *this* nation. |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
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said by KrK :
$2k each, means 240,000,000,000. Two Hundred Forty Billion to wire every household in America.
And I'd be willing to bet that if such a large infrastructure project was under way the prices of the equipment would drop due to mass production, so, it would probably cost less.
I read somewhere a while back that it would cost roughly $80-$90 billion to set up FTTH. Maybe the current figures are little 'fudged' to support ..er... non-support. Then again the old figures could be wrong too.
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Poopsmith
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join:2003-03-12
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said by oliphant5 :
Hell this new medicare prescription program is planned to cost $470 billion (and we all know the estimates for any entitlement are FAR below actual costs) alone.
Great idea! Since my tax dollars are going into something I will never see(medicare won't be around when I can get it) let's just put it into FTTH. Sorry to the senior community, but what goes around comes around. You want my money? Tough! I also want my money... to be spent in something that benefits me.
"What's that you say, old timer? You don't have any use for FTTH? Well, I have no use for medicare."
said by oliphant5 :
Just more of the same liberal hypocrisy.
You are only looking at it in terms of economy. The liberals are mad because more and more soldiers are killed each day despite the fact that we have
1. Not captured Saddaam
2. Not found any "weapons of mass destruction" (the whole point of the war)
As far as national security is concerned, North Korea is more of a threat than Iraq, so why aren't we moving more troops there? Let France deal with Iraq  Then the whole world will know what a bunch of screw-ups they truly are.
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Poopsmith
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Boulder, CO
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said by SRFireside :
I read somewhere a while back that it would cost roughly $80-$90 billion to set up FTTH.
Actually, I remembered reading on BBR that it would cost around $40-$50 billion. But, I also may be wrong.
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sherpaboy
join:2001-07-06
Seattle, WA
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Great idea! Since my tax dollars are going into something I will never see(medicare won't be around when I can get it) let's just put it into FTTH. Sorry to the senior community, but what goes around comes around. You want my money? Tough! I also want my money... to be spent in something that benefits me.
"What's that you say, old timer? You don't have any use for FTTH? Well, I have no use for medicare."
Instead of getting back at old timers for screwing you with medicare by screwing them with FTTH, why don't you vote so that we can all spend our own money on what we want? Old Timers can spend it on Medicare and Techies can spend it on FTTH. |
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KrK
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| reply to oliphant5
said by oliphant5 :
Why aren't all you anti-Iraq types bitching about WWII and Korea costs? Liberals seem to have no problem blowing BILLIONS on EVERYTHING EXCEPT national security interests.
Yeah, join in, more "liberal" bashing, all the rage these days, right? Label everyone a liberal then attack.... Why did we go to war in Iraq? National Security, you say? BS. War on Terror? Whatever. Neither. Because they were weak, and an easy target for attack. Just because you believe George W. can do no wrong, don't attack everyone else for not buying the trumped up charges. As already said, we're there now, and we're gonna pay, the question is how much and for how long.
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oliphant5
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| Yeah you're right. We should have taken the Clintonista approach...do nothing, let terrorism flourish and watch Americans die by the thousands around the world in WTC bombings, embassy bombings, barracks bombings, and U.S.S. Cole style bombings.
It would be just great to permit the spread of biological and radiological weapons...that would just thrill the liberals. Hell you must be overly glad to see what Clinton's "deal" with North Korea got us. Sure, he gave them billions but they won't develop nukes.
Liberals were all for going into Somalia, Bosnia (without UN approval I might add)...but no way, no freeing of millions of Arabs oppressed by a madman like Saddam. Women and girls being able to attend schools for the first time in years in Afganistan doesn't matter to you bleeding hearts.
It's just amazing to watch liberal hypocrisy in action.
And no, I don't agree with GW...I don't wear blinders like you Bush haters do. IMHO Bush is a hypocrite when it comes to Isreal. He should slam the door on trade with China until they address their human rights issues. He shouldn't have pushed the "farm bill". There are plenty of faults I find with this President, just as I found many things good about Clinton. I'm also watching the Democratic debates for a possible Bush alternative (like Leiberman) if Bush doesn't take care of some issues I think are major like border security especially as it pertains to California and over taxation of small business. I'm also glad to see Congress cutting off his dumbass overtime rules scheme. And I break with traditional conservatism when it comes to corporate "freedoms". I rail against anti-competitive practices of the telcos, cable operators and the RIAA all the time. I also rail against so-called "free trade" bullcrap. But when it comes to voting I'm never going to be 100% satisfied, but if it's a choice between a Democrat agreeing with 35% of what I believe in and a Republican agreeing with 65% of what I believe in...the Republican will get my vote.
I take one issue at a time, look at all the facts and form an opinion about the situation. You on the other hand take everything from the Bush sucks perspective...it's pretty sad actually. In order for "your side" to win, America must lose. In order for "your side" to win the economy can't grow the stock markets must tank. In order for "your side" to win, we must fail in Iraq. In order for "your side" to win there must be disaster in the Koreas. In order for "your side" to win, people must be dying in the streets. It's always about "how Bush sucks"...never their OWN ideas on how to solve the problems of worldwide terrorism, national security, corporate corruption, over taxation, failure for the government to serve the best interests of OUR nation for a change. Nope, only that whatever Bush does is wrong...before even reading past the first sentence.
But to debate politics in a forum filled with "powered by parents" types who haven't the life experience nor knowledge of history to have an opinion other than the ones their beard scratching do-nothing liberal professors programmed them with is pointless...so LPFM here.
BTW...the first (of what I'm sure will be many) Enron execs (Ben Glisan) is heading for a five year federal prison term. Ten more execs are facing trial. So much for the Bush and Enron B.S. If Bush was supposed to have "helped" Enron (like Clinton did with the billions in loans and special gov't projects)...well with a friend like Bush, Enron certainly didn't need any enemies.
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JakCrow
join:2001-12-06
Palo Alto, CA | Oh. I see oliphant has been suffering from more diarrhea of the fingers again. Just leave him be with his plastic sheets and his duct tape.
How 'about that scum Whitacre eh? |
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Agent 86
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"Liberals were all for going into Somalia, Bosnia (without UN approval I might add)...but no way, no freeing of millions of Arabs oppressed by a madman like Saddam."
Funny how the Arabs hate us now more than ever. They were cheering for Saddam. "They love freedom as much as we do" is another one of Bush's (and Blair's) lies. Arabs regard freedom as a Jewish plot to weaken them. |
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