What goes around, will come around

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moby866 Premium join:2000-10-07 Above you	What goes around, will come around If they enable people to steal, why are they crying about someone stealing from them? Besides the software sucks.
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maximus_808 Proud Veteran Premium join:2001-08-27 Green Cove Springs, FL clubs:	Kazaa Media Desktop sucks....Kazaa Lite is great.
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Marilla I Am My Own Arbiter Premium join:2002-12-06 Belpre, OH	reply to moby866 Because they don't care about what people do with the software... they just want to get their spyware/adware in there, because that's how they make THEIR money. If I did P2P, I -certainly- wouldn't use any flavor of Kazaa to do it. -- Windows, Mac, Linux, BSD - just use the right tool for the right job... end the OS Politics!
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Transmaster Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus join:2001-06-20 Cheyenne, WY ·Qwest.net	reply to moby866 This kind of reminds me of the porno outfit in San Francisco using the DCMA to sue people down loading their smut. Imagine copyrighted hooters and Hines. Well at least they wouldn't have to use fancy sniffing software to track this stuff. I get the idea KAZAA is trying to make as much money as they can before they go the way of NAPTSTER. Talk about a den of thief's. -- Low Brass & Irish Terriers rule, and I love the warm glow of a vacuum tube in the morning [text was edited by author 2003-09-01 18:20:15]
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Nanoprobe Crunching in subspace Premium join:2003-05-11 Crab Nebula clubs:	reply to maximus_808 Kazaa lite is great? K-lite is only a small fraction(like 1 millionth) better the Kazaa.Fake files,viruses,corrupt files and RIAA planted files.Use at your own risk.They both suck.
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maximus_808 Proud Veteran Premium join:2001-08-27 Green Cove Springs, FL clubs:	reply to moby866 I only use it for music and i have yet to find a fake file...been using it since the first Morpheus went down....to each his own. -- Folders Wanted..."The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard".
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jodragon join:2003-09-01 Union Grove, WI	Hey share and share alike, sounds good to me. Great saying totally agreed upon
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TheMadSwede Premium join:2001-01-30 Holland, MI ·Charter Pipeline	reply to Marilla said by Marilla : If I did P2P, I -certainly- wouldn't use any flavor of Kazaa to do it. If you don't use it, how you can you say it is not good? -- Cable Cable Cable...keep that cable rolling.
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JTRockville Data Ho Premium,MVM join:2002-01-28 Rockville, MD clubs: ·LINGO ·Sprint Mobile Broa.. ·surpasshosting ·Verizon FIOS	reply to Transmaster said by Transmaster : Imagine copyrighted hooters and Hines. * ignores Transmaster 's suggestion and imagines other copyrighted body-parts * said by moby866 : If they enable people to steal, why are they crying about someone stealing from them? Following that logic, it would be ok to kill the CEOs of gun manufacturers. After all, many of the products they sell have no purpose other than to end human life. [text was edited by author 2003-09-02 02:16:13]
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Kaltes Premium join:2002-12-04 Los Angeles, CA	""After all, many of the products they sell have no purpose other than to end human life."" - Actually a great many of their products are designed and used to end animal life, not human life. Most non-hunting guns sold actually do not end ANY life, and are rather held by collectors who dont fire them or laypersons who only use them at the targeting range. The only people ending human life with firearms are police (who are justified in using lethal force in virtually every case) or criminals. Criminal murder accounts for an insignificant fraction of the number of rounds fired from legally obtained fired every year. - I, personally, am in favor of strict gun control laws for urban areas (and no I don't belong to the NRA), but let us not make foolishly outlandish statements to push our respective views in this public forum, because such statements only undermine the credibility of whoever writes/types/says them. - As for purposes that firearms have beyond "end human life", there's hunting and target shooting, as well as many others. - All banning guns would accomplish is to force people to kill one another with axes/swords/spears/etc. Plenty of murder went on before guns were invented, and a great deal of murder occurs even today without any gun being involved.
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JTRockville Data Ho Premium,MVM join:2002-01-28 Rockville, MD clubs: ·LINGO ·Sprint Mobile Broa.. ·surpasshosting ·Verizon FIOS	Oh puleeze! You expect me to believe that these are for hunting non-human animals? Or that they're collector's items? You really think that's credible? In any case, my analogy stands. Just because there is an illegal purpose for a product, doesn't mean the producer gives up their rights.
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Urzumph join:2002-11-06 Australia	said by JTRockville : Oh puleeze! You expect me to believe that these are for hunting non-human animals? Or that they're collector's items? You really think that's credible? well, obviously, some of them, like the below example, would be for self defence.....
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JTRockville Data Ho Premium,MVM join:2002-01-28 Rockville, MD clubs:	Uhhhh... actually, I thought that one was for hunting rabbits.
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kapil The Kapil join:2000-04-26 Chicago, IL	reply to TheMadSwede Do you have to do drugs to know they are bad for you....or jump off the cliff to know that it will be your last jump? -- ::: Do, or do not, there is no try:::»www.kapilville.com
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kapil The Kapil join:2000-04-26 Chicago, IL	reply to Kaltes Oh Lord...here come the NRA idiots.
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NOVA_Guy Obama- Commander in Thief Premium join:2002-03-05 ·VOIPo	reply to JTRockville said by JTRockville : Oh puleeze! You expect me to believe that these are for hunting non-human animals? Or that they're collector's items? You really think that's credible? What difference does it make? Have you been personally affected by the presence of these weapons? If not, then what's your point-- that some day someone might do something nasty with a weapon? The United States is built upon the principle of freedom, and sometimes freedom isn't safe. Sometimes freedom means making dangerous things available to all and punishing those who would intentionally harm others after the fact. There is a reason that the principle of innocent until proven guilty is the cornerstone of our legal system. Without it freedom would be substantially curtailed in this country-- something that likely none of us want to see. People simply cannot go around randomly banning things because someone might use them to harm others; that isn't logical, and it smacks of an obsessive-compulsive personality on an ego trip. Nobody ever said that freedom was the safest course of action for a society, but plenty of people have said that it is the best course of action. If you feel so unsafe with all these weapons floating around, perhaps the best course of action for you to take is to buy one and learn to use it properly yourself. That being said, I would be one of the first people to agree that assault weapons do not have many legitimate uses, and that there are far too many mentally unbalanced people getting their hands on firearms these days. Solving these problems, however, does not mean taking weapons away from everyone in society. The problems do not get solved by banning certain classes of weapons either. I will conclude by telling you the following: I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a member of any organization that advocates gun ownership or believes that everyone should own/carry/use guns. So why do I support the NRA in their efforts here? Simple-- because I do believe in freedom, and one cannot advocate freedom in bits and pieces. The Bill of Rights is not an ala carte menu at an expensive restaurant, and anyone who believes it is and advocates "freedom" is nothing but a hypocrite. -- Cox cable: the hallmark questionable business practices and lousy cable service!
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AthlGrond Premium,MVM join:2002-04-25 Aurora, CO ·Comcast	said by NOVA_Guy : ...assault weapons do not have many legitimate uses, and that there are far too many mentally unbalanced people getting their hands on firearms these days. Which does point out a bad problem with the mental health care in our country, rather than a problem with guns IMO.
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TheMadSwede Premium join:2001-01-30 Holland, MI ·Charter Pipeline	reply to kapil said by kapil : Do you have to do drugs to know they are bad for you....or jump off the cliff to know that it will be your last jump? Man - lighten up. This isn't Philosophy 101. We're talking about free computer software, not shooting heroin and jumping off a cliff. Do you like a food you've never tried? If you don't, how do you know you don't like it? Because someone told you? What if someone else told you it was good? -- Cable Cable Cable...keep that cable rolling.
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TheMadSwede Premium join:2001-01-30 Holland, MI ·Charter Pipeline	reply to JTRockville said by JTRockville : Uhhhh... actually, I thought that one was for hunting rabbits. Do you mean...wabbits? -- Cable Cable Cable...keep that cable rolling.
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JTRockville Data Ho Premium,MVM join:2002-01-28 Rockville, MD clubs: ·LINGO ·Sprint Mobile Broa.. ·surpasshosting ·Verizon FIOS	reply to NOVA_Guy said by NOVA_Guy : What difference does it make? Have you been personally affected by the presence of these weapons? If not, then what's your point-- that some day someone might do something nasty with a weapon? The United States is built upon the principle of freedom, and sometimes freedom isn't safe. Sometimes freedom means making dangerous things available to all and punishing those who would intentionally harm others after the fact. I think you missed my point. My point is: manufacturers don't give up all their constitutional rights, just because they produce something that can be used for illegal purposes. IOW: Just because KaZaA can be used as a tool to violate copyright laws, doesn't mean they forfeit their copyright protections. said by NOVA_Guy : I will conclude by telling you the following: I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a member of any organization that advocates gun ownership or believes that everyone should own/carry/use guns. So why do I support the NRA in their efforts here? Simple-- because I do believe in freedom, and one cannot advocate freedom in bits and pieces. The Bill of Rights is not an ala carte menu at an expensive restaurant, and anyone who believes it is and advocates "freedom" is nothing but a hypocrite. As far as I can tell, we're advocating the same thing, but you seem to think I disagree with you. If gun manufacturers are protected, shouldn't software vendors also be protected?
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