DaSneaky1D
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I wonder how the wording of the deal read. Back in 1995-1996, was there even any evidence that there could be consumer level/affordable broadband access, let alone from telcos? I know DSL isn't a new technology, but for a state to expect 45Mbps symmetrical fiber service available for 20% of it's residential consumers (read cheap) by 1998 is re-duckulous. That's even a pipe dream for people living in NYC or Richardson, TX.
Funny thing is, I believe Ronald F. Weigel when he said it is available. If a resident is willing to pony up 20-30K a month, it's all theirs!
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DSLrgm
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Oak Park, MI | Work on xDSL was occuring even then. It is 54Mb (OC1). It can even go over copper if the copper is only 1000'. |
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pkust
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Houston, TX
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said by DaSneaky1D  :
I wonder how the wording of the deal read. Back in 1995-1996, was there even any evidence that there could be consumer level/affordable broadband access, let alone from telcos? I know DSL isn't a new technology, but for a state to expect 45Mbps symmetrical fiber service available for 20% of it's residential consumers (read cheap) by 1998 is re-duckulous. That's even a pipe dream for people living in NYC or Richardson, TX.
Wouldn't that be the reason for the financial incentives? Essentially, the State of Pennsylvania agreed to pick up a big chunk of the tab, so that the service would be available at consumer prices.
It would appear that Verizon took the money but never delivered the goods.
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DaSneaky1D
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| Then, where would the money be to buy the equipment, install the equipment, run the lines, buy right-of-way for land, pay for more employees to offer customer service, ect?
While 2.1 billion is a lot of money, when it comes to offering this service to 50% of the residents, it starts to get a little thin. I seriously doubt any of that money was supposed by Bell to be used as subsidation.
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DaSneaky1D
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So at 1000' for 54Mbps, it would take how much money to provide this solution for 50% of the population? How much of the pop. can be served by ADSL at 15,000 feet for 384k service?
And, how much was fiber and its related equipment back then? Then to provide this service to residents at a residentially affordable rate?
Like I said, I wonder what the wording really was...
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grunteled
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said by DaSneaky1D :
While 2.1 billion is a lot of money, when it comes to offering this service to 50% of the residents, it starts to get a little thin. I seriously doubt any of that money was supposed by Bell to be used as subsidation.
I'm sorry, but who cares if it turned out to be enough money or not? They are the ones who made the damn deal. They promised to do something in exchange for an assload of public money. They did not do it. It sounds to me like the agreement said they would have it deployed, not that they could drag a line if somebody coughed up 10K to do it. How would they need public money to do that. Every teleco that wants to do business MUST be able to that. Can they with a straight face tell us that a deal was made for them to just continue doing business, and Penn would pay them 2.1B just to do that.
When I make deals with the promise to do something in exchange for money and I don't do do it, they seem to call it "breach of contract". Nobody seems to care when I give excuses about it costing to much to follow through, not having enough time, or whatever else I want to blather on about. I made the deal, I agreed to the terms, I'm liable to return the money if I can't fulfill. No matter what drug I was smoking when I thought I could do it.
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EnzonE
join:2000-03-23
Indiana, PA | reply to DaSneaky1D
Yeah it figures out of all the states I had to live in this one. We'll see how this all plays out, probably not in my favor either.
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DaSneaky1D
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Your right and I completely agree with you. But going from my first post about this, I wander what the wording of the contract is/was. If they built a fiber network with customer deliverable loops available to 50% of the residential population by 1998, though it would cost the resident $20,000 a month to lease a line for it, then they fulfilled their contract.
If the wording in the contract said that, "and everyday working, residential customers must be able to purchase this service for under $100 bucks a month", then they did breach their contract. But according to the wording of that Verizon Rep, he obviously made his comment out of a loop-hole in the contract. Seems to me like they did deliver.
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systems2000
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Cyberspace | reply to DaSneaky1D
I think you'll find answers in this thread I started last November, and Verizon was crying about it back then.
»PA - Speak Out About Your Broadband Service! |
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DaSneaky1D
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| I actually found the answer with that link. So they were suppose to offer it at reasonable residential rates. That's all I wanted to know. Thanks for looking it up!
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Sisqo
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I agree with you, I believe it was Bruce Gordon one of the exec's from Verizon that said, when the agreement was done with PA, it was the simple fact of having their systems ready for those speeds & their response to that was the customer can have it if they want it! Like you, I wonder what the wording was. |
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royhandy
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I am SOOOOO tempted to call Verizon to find out how much 45MB/s up/down to my home would cost.
I would like to read the wording on the original deal, too.
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Sisqo
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Methuen, MA | LOL, dude do it I sooo curious to know. lol  |
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