w2co
join:2003-07-16
Longmont, CO
| reply to David95037
Re: Good luck rural hopefuls
Yes and in the UK they even commented:
"The children love using the computer for games and it’s brilliant that they have the opportunity of really fast internet access."
Why should the HF bands be wasted like this?
This is the stupidest idea I've ever heard of.
And our government is learning from this example???
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David95037
join:2003-04-16
Morgan Hill, CA
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| reply to Eat Me
said by Eat Me  :
You mean these economics:
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According to a company exec, speaking to the Register, Southern Electric needs around 50 subscribers per substation to make it worth their while financially.
In the U.K. there are typically 200 homes to a substation, any area that has that kind of demand (25%) is likely to have been (or soon will be) covered by DSL.
The two initial deployments by SSE were paid for the by the Government. |
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oliphant5
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join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA
| reply to dvd536
My provider has a program where they use network priority to set tiers. You get priority depending on your plan and if you go over the given cap you start losing priority or you can pay a few pennies per MB and keep it. I haven't had the need to pay extra. Even during peak times the WISP is still pretty fast, especially on uploads. The thing about the plan though is that priority is only an issue when the service reaches capacity. Then those paying more are paying to keep their speeds. Everyone regardless of plan gets either 1500/1500 or 3000/3000. I have a 1500/1500 plan for $25/mo. For that $25 I get my priority for the first few GB then I'm up for throttling during peak times. However, I have NEVER seen less than 900/500 from my service and typically I get 1800/1100 or so from it. If it's in the middle of the day or night, even the $10/mo people will see full T-1 speeds up and down from the service. And at $25 a month it serves perfectly as a backup for my CC Pro service so even if my cable goes out, network and VoIP service run normally.
They permit serving (show me a mainstream ISP that permits that), will do static or dynamic IP and are cool about P2P. Pretty much anything that doesn't get them arrested. It's just a couple of guys from my 'hood who got sick of waiting for what was then ATTBi to get off their assess.
They don't have many customers but here are some speed test results. There is one low one but I've never been that low. Mine are more like the middle one.
»/archive/unplu···ernet.co
Here's where they rank with competing providers around here.
»/archive?zip=9···t=Search
Note my speed tests...completely screwy. They're even worse testing the other provider. I think it has to do with my load balancing. For me, uploads and downloads can happen with different providers and something gets cached and throws off my tests so I don't really bother checking here any more unless I suspect a problem. But you can see from other posters that speeds for the very affordable WISP are REALLY good, especially for those on the $55 3000/3000 plan. Note that none of the new plans are up on their website yet.
I agree, most WISPs are very restrictive but that's by their choice.
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dvd536
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| reply to oliphant5
said by oliphant5 :
Before Comcast, I had 2 Wi-Fi providers (I still have 1) and they provide great service at comparable prices to Comcast. I think Wi-Fi is still a real solution to rural BB. It's cheap to deploy and very reliable (at least it was for me).
Show me at least one wifi provider that has a AUP/TOS that is even remotely fair to the customer. 1gb/mo is not really an option as its too restrictive.
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oliphant5
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join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA
| reply to Estragon
I brought that very point about LOS up in another thread today. »BPL creates more problems than it solves
There are emerging NLOS technologies that have much more promise to solve this last mile problem than BPL does.
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Estragon
join:2003-06-20
Greenville, NH
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|  reply to oliphant5
Wi-Fi can be a real rural solution, but it depends upon a geography that has line-of-sight. Some of us have too many trees. If I had an antenna on a 100 ft. mast, I could communicate with anyone else who put an antenna on a 100 ft. mast.
And that person wouldn't have broadband either.
But the observation that BPL won't help the rural users is 100% dead accurate. The distance limitations of BPL just make it too expensive to deploy. |
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oliphant5
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Corona, CA
| reply to Eat Me
Before Comcast, I had 2 Wi-Fi providers (I still have 1) and they provide great service at comparable prices to Comcast. I think Wi-Fi is still a real solution to rural BB. It's cheap to deploy and very reliable (at least it was for me).
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
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You mean these economics:
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According to a company exec, speaking to the Register, Southern Electric needs around 50 subscribers per substation to make it worth their while financially.
Absolutely. Most rural users will be stuck with satellite or wi-fi for some time to come, until FTTH hits the scene. And even then, I don't see telco's running fiber to serve five customers out in the boonies. |
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
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According to a company exec, speaking to the Register, Southern Electric needs around 50 subscribers per substation to make it worth their while financially.
Well if PLC does get approved by the FCC (is there any doubt really?) and the same economics play out, all those people in the rural areas hoping to get broadband will probably be out of luck. I am sure the power companies are going to cherry pick the high density areas and let the outer areas go unserved. I am curious if they really mean 50 subscribers to a substation or 50 subscribers to a node. |
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