KyHillBilly
join:2003-08-04
Lexington, KY
| reply to bencjedi
Re: Insight AUP Violation []
Sure sounds like a lot of whiners here!!!! If you people are that unhappy with something you are paying for, don't pay for it anymore and go somewhere else. I really like this stuff, I think it is cheap considering my options.
But what do I know, I'm just an antagOnistic HillBilly!
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zman23
join:2001-12-03
Louisville, KY
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"Most if not all of the DSL providers I am aware of or used do not allow servers either." Here in Louisville I can get DSL with 4 static IP's, 1500k-down/256k-up(twice Insight's speed) no ban on servers, etc. for $49 / month with no install or modem fee. Trust me, the door is not going to be hitting me in the ass on the way out - I am already gone. |
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fancydancer
Perception is reality
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join:2002-08-28
Springfield, IL
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| reply to bencjedi
Ok, first of all Insight does not want you running servers for the very fact that it eats up bandwidth and you are in a residential package. They do not want you making money by hosting a server while paying a non-commercial cost. Iggy hit the nail on the head when he suggested Insight add a business level package. I, like bencjedi use remote desktop to do some network troubleshooting from my work but I would never say I have "saturated the pipe". If you're listening Insight, give the customer what we need. And that's a reason to stay with you.
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Lithium78
join:2003-02-03
Tipton, IN
| I agree, I think Insight should rephrase the wording of their TOS. Server for personal use should be allowed, provided you aren't earning income in any way from using it and you aren't using 100% bandwidth at all times. For me, I run a game server once every other month to host a game for a group of friends..... For the life of me I can't see how this would effect anyone or anything, and hopefully Insight won't ever get on my case about it. If they do I'll have to find an ISP that doesn't mind if I run a game server occasionally, if they don't then everyone can remain happy. :P |
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bencjedi
join:2002-02-18
Winchester, KY
| reply to bencjedi
I pay for 3000kbps down, 128kbps up and if I use 100% of it, than I am getting what I pay for, right?
I use my upload bandwidth for more than terminal services and the occassional FTP of a file to or from work. On one instance I made a nice SVCD of some personal family vacation footage I shot and uploaded to a newsgroup. It was a really long upload to say the least, but shouldn't Insight be specific about this type of thing and whether it is ok or not? I mean it is not a copyrighted video (but I bet they thought it was). I didn't notice anything in their TOS about sharing home videos. I was thinking of sending almost a gig of home video footage I shot to my brother's FTP on OptOnline, but wonder if Insight will bust be for using 100% of the bandwidth I am paying for to send it.
How is using personal webspace or webspace on another server going to prevent the home user from using 100% of their upload bandwidth? The problem I have with the personal webspace is a measly 10MB. I couldn't store my 800MB SVCD that I want to share with my family. With another webserver I would still be using 100% off my 128kbps to upload it over a long period.
I hope Insight specifcally addresses these issues if they edit that TOS. |
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backfeed
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join:2002-12-16
Peru, IN
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| reply to bencjedi
said by bencjedi  :
I am betting I got this e-mail because the FTP service was running on my machine from some files I moved to work from home today. Mind you.. I was told this was ok before by Insight because I was not doing anything illegal.
I am trying to understand this.... If you enable FTP so that files can be remotely taken from your machine, that is a violation??..Or only if the files are transfered?
I have often thought about setting up access from work to my home network, now I wonder if that would get me a letter also. I wonder what remote administrator usage would be thought of within the usage policy??
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IGGY
No Guru Just Here To Help
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-30
Chatham, IL
| If Insight is doing a port scan and find a port open - they might send out a letter or investigate a bit further - from my understanding. So yes in my opinion you could have an ftp setup or running and if it was running when they scanned and they found it open - they might in fact send an email notifying you that your in violation of the TOS. Personally I've never seen them be this harsh. But maybe things are changing do to the current worm, trojan, virus mess going around the past few weeks.
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Laggy
join:2002-05-07
Indianapolis, IN | reply to backfeed
If your going to setup something for remote access be smart and don't use default port settings. That way when they do the scans like they always do they won't get any reply on the ports they check. |
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backfeed
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join:2002-12-16
Peru, IN
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| reply to backfeed
That is interesting... I have been tinkering with the thought of using remote administrator..I like the way it works, so far no noise from Insight but I will have to look into that...maybe changing the port settings is not a bad idea...
Thanks
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adz133
join:2002-12-03 | reply to bencjedi
What IP addys do they scan from? |
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kg4evv
Kg4evv
Premium
join:2002-02-18
Fairdale, KY | reply to backfeed
I've been using Windows XP remote desktop from work all the time. Been doing that for months now. No noise over it yet.
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fancydancer
Perception is reality
Premium
join:2002-08-28
Springfield, IL
clubs:
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| reply to bencjedi
Its a difference to have FTP open and secured with a complex user/pass combo and to have an anonymous FTP server open to anybody. I doubt Insight is scanning for secure or insecure holes and emailing the people who are insecure, but its not a bad idea, if not a time consuming one. But I bet Insight is wanting to know if any questionable content is being passed through its network. Questionable=virus, worms, etc. Not copyrighted material. So if they have a hunch you MAYBE causing a problem, which might be unbeknownst to you, then you'll more than likely be getting a letter. Use this as a rule of thumb: If you feel what you are doing is wrong, its a good chance it is.
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anarchist4000
join:2001-03-28
Cicero, IN
| reply to bencjedi
There is no possible way hosting a server on insight's network can eat up the bandwidth. That's what the 3000/128 is for anyone who didn't know. You can download 3000kbps and upload 128. In just about any case you would consume far more bandwidth downloading something than you would uploading something.
Even if you were to host a server it would be painfully slow. FTP's would be getting 16KB/s speeds as they uploaded something and that's if they actually managed to get the fully rated line speed. If you assume for most multi player games you want about 3KB/s per user, if not more. That basically limits you to 5 people on the server at any given time and it would lag while you were playing due to using that much of the bandwidth and as unstable as pings are on cable anyways.
Besides most offering's for DSL can get you much better speed than what insight is offering for a better price. Even if the quoted speed is less than 3000/128 DSL will be able to sustain it's quoted rate much better and pings will be more stable as well.
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fancydancer
Perception is reality
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join:2002-08-28
Springfield, IL
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| FYI, I get about 14k max when I ftp from my Insight connection at home. Not exactly a robust, commercial grade connection. 
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IGGY
No Guru Just Here To Help
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-30
Chatham, IL | Yep 12 to 14K used to be my average - with a good evening being 16. But most of the time it was steady at 14 when I had the 128 package. |
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kg4evv
Kg4evv
Premium
join:2002-02-18
Fairdale, KY
| reply to fancydancer
Friend of mine received the letter, he wasn't sure exactly what ports he had open, or that he even had an open port. He called me up at home, I took a look. I tried to telnet into his IP, no luck. I typed his IP in my Mozilla Firebird, no luck. So I FTP'd into his IP and in I went. Completely anonymous.
I believe Insights main concern isn't the usage of Bandwidth when someone runs a small server. In that regards Anarchist is correct of course. Who in their right mind would WANT to run a major server of any type with only 128kbps cap in the first place? Anyone who is serious about running a server of any type wouldn't want cable anyway, DSL would be the obvious choice. Anway, I believe Insight's main concern is the fact that if this "Abuse" team at AT&T or Insight's Team are able to scan a certain field of IP addresses, looking for open ports, then so can anyone else. People complain day in and day out, about Insights "Stupid little rules" and "this is all bs, if I wanna run a server I'm going to" and also "I never agreed" blah blah blah, yeah whatever. Get a clue.
Hide your stuff, don't leave it dangling out there for some person who has way to much time on his hands to stumble across, tunnel his way into, and cause havoc. If Insight can find it, so can someone else. Bottom line.
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CompuKid101
join:2002-03-19
Lafayette, IN | reply to anarchist4000
Exactly! They already have us by the balls with out shitty upload speeds! How can they expect a server on 128kbps to "harm other user's experience"? |
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Stu_Pidaso
join:2003-08-30
Jeffersonville, IN
| reply to bencjedi
I also run a website on IIS on Windows 2K Server. Several months ago I received the identical message. However I questioned the "Server" policy via e-mail. The reply that I received from insight informed me that "They were policing servers that were using a lot of broadband" (IE FTP Sites, File Sharing servers, SQL servers, etc.), that it appeared that I was not, and that I could restart my web server.
I hope this helps. |
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Stu_Pidaso
join:2003-08-30
Jeffersonville, IN
| reply to bencjedi
Another thing that I will mention. If you will look at the logs for your FTP and Website, you wiss see a lot of activity with long /GET strings with NNNNN or zzzz or /get Scripts. A large number of these are from machines that are infected with Code Red, Nimda And the Blaster worms. I have researched some of the IP addys that are hitting my site and find that they are running infected sites that have not been patched. Some since '99. A number of these are 12.220.xxx.xxx IP's which are Insight and ATTBI IP's.
IF you are using IIS on your machine 1. Make sure you have all of the critical updates installed 2. Get a Firewall and 3. Use an antivirus and update definitions regularly (I do it weekly) and Scan daily.
Again, I hope this helps. |
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zman23
join:2001-12-03
Louisville, KY
| reply to zman23
Just to follow-up. I am now happily on DSL it runs soooo much smooother than Insightbb cable. My DSL modem light does not flash unless I am sending or receiving something. No slow downs, no downtime, nada!
Anyway, I received a call from an Insightbb cable "troubleshooter" wanting to know why I drop their service (3 weeks later??), I told him about the loss of ICMP, slowdowns, etc. and he said that they've lost a few people due to those reasons. I said I dropped their service due to the AUP violation letter and he seemed quite happy that it was due to the AUP and not because of the other problems (I told him I was running an e-mail server, now I am running a lot more servers than that:)). Anyway, seems like a few others or not letting the door hit them in the ass on the way out. |
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