carynoc
Just Ducky
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join:2003-07-17
Whitmore Lake, MI
| Wonder what they will do in Michigan on 9/1
(c) Establish a toll-free telephone number, a valid sender-operated return e-mail address, or another easy-to-use electronic method that the recipient of the commercial e-mail message may call or access by e-mail or other electronic means to notify the sender not to transmit by e-mail any further unsolicited commercial e-mail messages....
It will be interesting to see how the Michigan Law stands up to their privicy policy.
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Blasterbator
Sent By Grocery Clerks
join:2001-02-20
Jackson, MS
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| If the tickets were free (or I accepted a discount on those tickets), then I could understand the half-witted "advertising" argument made by Tauras333.
I wonder how "they" would like it if instead of using my bathroom, I showed up once or twice daily at their business or home and dropped a big heaping helping of fecal matter at their front door?
How long do you think they would be willing to pay their janitor to come clean up the disgusting, unsolicited heap of refuse from their private property?
The fact is, when I sit down to watch "free" broadcast television, I expect to get hammered with commercials. MY CHOICE.
However, when I go to McDonalds and buy 10 Big Macs, 10 Biggie Fries and a bottomless Mountain Dew to "bulk up" til the next meal, they d*mn well better not ask me for my mailing address, email address or telephone number to pump me full of unsolicited direct response crap (unless of course they would like to offer me a discount).
This is the same reason I DESPISE paid commercials in movie theatres that I PAID FULL PRICE (e.g. a handsome fee anymore) to get into to begin with!
SPAM, Junk Mail and Telemarketers are all an invasion of my privacy and an unauthorized use and violation of personal resources (i.e. my trash pickup, my time and my bandwidth).
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joebear29
join:2003-07-20
Alabaster, AL
| McDonalds is free to ask for your personal info all they want. If you don't like it, go somewhere else. You don't have a right to purchase a Big Mac on your terms - McDonalds is the seller and they will sell it any damn they please. You have no more right to force McDonalds or Ticketmaster to sell a product a different way then they do to force you to buy it. |
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carynoc
Just Ducky
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join:2003-07-17
Whitmore Lake, MI
| And Joebear, if McDonalds, or any other business asked my for my email address as a prerequisite for doing business with them, I WOULD walk away! Not only that, but I will also refuse to do business with ANY online company that does not honor their privacy policy. Legitimate, or at least honorable, companies will get a clue really fast if we all felt this way.
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joebear29
join:2003-07-20
Alabaster, AL
| I agree 100 percent. I would do the same thing. That is probably why McDonalds does not ask for you e-mail address. Remember how Radio Shack used to ask for your address and phone number? They quit because of customer complaints.
What I object to is a law forbidding a company to ask for your e-mail address or use it once you have given it to them. That is up to the individual company and not the government. |
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carynoc
Just Ducky
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join:2003-07-17
Whitmore Lake, MI
| I don't think the government is saying a company is not allowed to ask, I believe they are asking that they disclose how they will use the address, and then saying you should have a right to refuse use of your email address in a manner to which you do not agree.
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Taurus333
join:2001-04-06
Ohio
| reply to Blasterbator
said by Blasterbator  :
If the tickets were free (or I accepted a discount on those tickets), then I could understand the half-witted "advertising" argument made by Tauras333.
Go take Business 101 and you might be able to comprehend my comments about this.
Easy explanation: in order for a band to tour they have various expenses such as roadies, light & laser show equipment, music equipment and all of that has to be hauled around the country, hotel, airplane and bus fares as well as other expenses. Paying $35 a ticket even $100 per ticket doesn't even come close to covering their expenses....that is where sponsors come in, without them you can forget about concerts altogether. Like I said before all one needs to do is use some common sense as well as basic business sense to understand that sure sometimes advertising can be an inconvenience but without it alot of things that you take for granted wouldn't exist or would be cost prohibitive. |
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carynoc
Just Ducky
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join:2003-07-17
Whitmore Lake, MI
| To Taurus...from an MBA... look up cost/benefit analysis in your business books... cost of processing spam, opportunity costs of spam, economic benefit and loss ... there may be some short term profit, but the costs are extremely high!
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joebear29
join:2003-07-20
Alabaster, AL
| reply to carynoc
I'm not familiar on the Michigan law, so I'm not sure. I wonder if it would apply to Ticketmaster or the affiliates, or if it would violate interstate commerce laws?
Regardless, I suspect sharing of the e-mail address with affiliates will be allowed, since they have a business relationship with you. Whether the affiliates can then send you spam is a more interesting question. |
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joebear29
join:2003-07-20
Alabaster, AL | reply to carynoc
That may be true, but that is Ticketmaster's decision. If sending spam is unprofitable, they will eventually quit sending spam.
Are they the actual spammers, or is it the affiliates? |
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Taurus333
join:2001-04-06
Ohio
| reply to carynoc
said by carynoc :
To Taurus...from an MBA... look up cost/benefit analysis in your business books... cost of processing spam, opportunity costs of spam, economic benefit and loss ... there may be some short term profit, but the costs are extremely high!
all depends if you look at costs in terms of money, money that can be written off as a business expense. The value of getting one's name out there to as many as possible is the higher value in all of advertising, profits are nice too but in many cases that is secondary. The more people hear of you the more your profits will go up but they have to know you exist before that can happen and that in most cases is the key role of advertising. |
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carynoc
Just Ducky
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join:2003-07-17
Whitmore Lake, MI
| I would truly like to see CEOs of the Fortune 500/1000 bring together their VP's of IT and Marketing to do an analysis of their costs of fighting spam relative to their profits from selling email addresses to marketing partners. I do believe it would be an eye-opener! Perceived economic gain vs. cost.
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JakCrow
join:2001-12-06
Palo Alto, CA | reply to Taurus333
Well sure they can advertise, but not on MY phone and not to MY email address. I also have an issue with a company financially benefitting by selling my personal information, but that's a topic for a different day. |
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Taurus333
join:2001-04-06
Ohio
| said by JakCrow :
Well sure they can advertise, but not on MY phone and not to MY email address. I also have an issue with a company financially benefitting by selling my personal information, but that's a topic for a different day.
As long as you put those things out into the public, yes they can. If I don't want someone to have my phone number, I give them my fax number (works great when guys in bars ask for a phone number LOL). I have like 20 e-mail accounts and when I sign up for something I decide which one will suit me and them best. Its called personal responsibility and making whatever choice you decide is right for you without acting like spoiled brats expecting others to change their policies to cater to your wants. You guys want low prices and no advertising, its just not a reality. |
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carynoc
Just Ducky
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Whitmore Lake, MI | Can't even respond...wow!
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JakCrow
join:2001-12-06
Palo Alto, CA
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| reply to Taurus333
said by Taurus333 :
As long as you put those things out into the public, yes they can.
Excuse you, but those things aren't put out into the public by myself, so no, they can't.
said by Taurus333 :
If I don't want someone to have my phone number, I give them my fax number (works great when guys in bars ask for a phone number LOL). I have like 20 e-mail accounts and when I sign up for something I decide which one will suit me and them best. Its called personal responsibility and making whatever choice you decide is right for you without acting like spoiled brats expecting others to change their policies to cater to your wants.
Gosh, you sound like a spammer as well as a telemarketer. Good thing I work for a company that makes your job harder  And if these companies want to keep me as a customer, they better damn well cater to my wants. You claim to know about business, but you've just broken one of the prime rules. Businesses operate via the whim of the consumers. How about those 30 million consumers now on the 'do not call' list? Must burn you up just thinking about it.
said by Taurus333 :
You guys want low prices and no advertising, its just not a reality.
I'm sorry, but you're the one living in fantasy land if you think you're entitled to advertising to me. You're not, and the prices of events such as concerts are not "low" as you've mistakenly assumed. |
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carynoc
Just Ducky
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join:2003-07-17
Whitmore Lake, MI
| reply to carynoc
I am still at a loss for words...how can you think that way Taurus? I've made stupid mistakes I'm sure, but even I don't defend abuse like Ticket Master supports!! Still waiting to see what happens in MI next month~
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jsouth
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join:2000-12-12
Wichita, KS
|  reply to Taurus333
Those people in those businesses advertise on tv, on the radio and in print for the most part. Sure they may ask for your email address but you can tell them no. They have no right to it. Ticket Master is saying you will give use the info or else. Yes you can delete the spam but think of this. More and more email is only spam. I heard that pretty soon 90% of all email will be spam. Spam slows down your internet access. Ever wonder why you mail servers crash? Spam and viruses. What we are saying is not to tell these companies that they can NEVER get our email address but give us a chance to say "No. Thank you." |
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Taurus333
join:2001-04-06
Ohio
| reply to carynoc
said by carynoc :
I am still at a loss for words...how can you think that way Taurus? I've made stupid mistakes I'm sure, but even I don't defend abuse like Ticket Master supports!! Still waiting to see what happens in MI next month~
I support advertising, sometimes I ain't thrilled with it either but I do understand the value of it and the direct correlation to keeping prices down. We all gripe about Ticketmaster's service fees right? and we sometimes complain about ticket prices too right? well take away advertising and sponsors and guess what, you'll have alot more to complain about than a few ads in your mailbox that take 2 seconds to delete, if they stop advertising we will pay the advertisers share....really want that? I sure don't. Then again let me guess, you want the perfect fantasyland where advertising is outlawed and prices remain super low....all I can say is keep dreaming cause that ain't reality. |
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Taurus333
join:2001-04-06
Ohio
| reply to jsouth
said by jsouth :
Those people in those businesses advertise on tv, on the radio and in print for the most part. Sure they may ask for your email address but you can tell them no. They have no right to it. Ticket Master is saying you will give use the info or else. Yes you can delete the spam but think of this. More and more email is only spam. I heard that pretty soon 90% of all email will be spam. Spam slows down your internet access. Ever wonder why you mail servers crash? Spam and viruses. What we are saying is not to tell these companies that they can NEVER get our email address but give us a chance to say "No. Thank you."
1) if their company policy is that they require an e-mail address for you to do business with them you have two choices: provide the info or don't do business with them. Its their company and they have a right to make their own rules, don't like it, then save your money and buy them out and then you can enforce whatever rules you want.
2)If its that big of a deal to you then give them a fake address or sign up for a hotmail account, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
3) My mail servers don't crash but then again my important mail goes to my Aol account and that's not a problem with them. |
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