Taurus333
join:2001-04-06
Ohio
|  And the problem is?
I went to their site and here's what it says:
"By purchasing a ticket, or completing a registration form so that you are able to access a purchase page for a ticket, to a concert, game or other event on the Site, you consent (i.e., you opt-in) to us sharing your personal information with the venues, promoters, artists, teams, leagues and other third parties associated with that concert, game or other event ("Event Partners"). We cannot offer you a separate opportunity to opt-out, or not to consent, to our sharing of your personal information with them."
They are giving your info to those that are associated with the particular event you are choosing to attend, not simply putting your info out there for anyone and everyone. Odds are the the venue and promoters require them to do this in order to sell tickets for them and incredibly enough it makes sense. Why would a company pay to sponsor an event if they can't advertise to those attending and obviously if you attend a concert odds are you would be interested in concert schedules for that venue etc.
Is it just me or does it seem like more and more headlines on this site are just people looking for something to complain about?
Disclaimer: I ain't thrilled with ticketmaster in general as their service fees are ridiculous but with this, its a no-brainer....don't want them e-mailing you, create some hotmail account and give them that. problem solved.
You folks whine about telemarketing so that will come to an end, you whine about spam and that will surely end at some point, you whine about tv ads, whine, whine , whine about advertising without realizing that its what keeps things affordable. I don't even want to know what a concert ticket would cost without Budweiser, Coke, Cingular and whoever else footing the bill. Sure advertising is an inconvenience but paying a months salary to go to a concert would be even worse. Grow up, learn about business, and deal with it. |
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PTS
Go Bama Beat Florida
Premium
join:2001-12-13
Blue Heaven
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|  said by Taurus333  :
They are giving your info to those that are associated with the particular event you are choosing to attend, not simply putting your info out there for anyone and everyone.
Even if you believe that (and personally, I doubt that anyone with so much as a room temperature IQ would), the concept of forcing someone to give out an email address in exchange for the privilege of PURCHASING a product is bogus. Guess people who don't email addresses can't get concert tickets? Absolutely asinine!
In response to the title of your post, I submit the following: For those who get it, no explanation is needed; for those who don't, none would suffice...
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Razzed
@bhm-al.ds
| You are not being forced to do anything. You choose to buy a ticket. By buying that ticket you agree to give your e-mail address. If you don't want to, don't buy the ticket. You are free to make the choice.
Sheesh, the last thing we need is more government regulation. If you don't like Ticketmaster, don't use them. No one is forcing you.
And no, your desire to get concert tickets does not constitute being forced to use ticket master. If you don't get the tickets, big deal, you have exercised your choice to do so, just as Ticketmaster chooses to have its (admittedly inane) e-mail policy. |
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Taurus333
join:2001-04-06
Ohio
| reply to PTS
said by PTS :
said by Taurus333 :
They are giving your info to those that are associated with the particular event you are choosing to attend, not simply putting your info out there for anyone and everyone.
Even if you believe that (and personally, I doubt that anyone with so much as a room temperature IQ would), the concept of forcing someone to give out an email address in exchange for the privilege of PURCHASING a product is bogus. Guess people who don't email addresses can't get concert tickets? Absolutely asinine!
I have never ordered a ticket online but have done so over the phone and of course been required to give phone number and street address; it makes sense that when purchasing online the criteria would also include e-mail address for obvious reasons.
said by PTS :
In response to the title of your post, I submit the following: For those who get it, no explanation is needed; for those who don't, none would suffice...
Well its obvious with recent headlines on this site that very few people have the first clue about business and advertising in general. |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
 ·RoadRunner Cable
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Sorry. Can't agree with you here. They are saying your information will be passed to just about everybody related to the event. There is no assurances your information won't then be passed on to from those people. Keep in mind there are a LOT of organizations related to a single concert. TM pretty much passes your info to dozens of businesses on that first degree of separation alone.
I bought some Weird Al concert tickets over a month ago and gave them my alternate Hotmail (i.e. SPAM resevoir). You better believe I am getting constant emails from various organizations I know are related to TM. Not just concert promotional stuff. After I see the show Tuesday I'm blocking every single one of those emails, including TM.
It's pretty lousy when a business that controls access to much of the venues forces you to comply to their demands to take your information and do what they want with it. Doesn't matter that you can circumvent it. You shouldn't have to deal with that sort of conduct in the first place. |
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Taurus333
join:2001-04-06
Ohio
| said by SRFireside :
Sorry. Can't agree with you here. They are saying your information will be passed to just about everybody related to the event. There is no assurances your information won't then be passed on to from those people. Keep in mind there are a LOT of organizations related to a single concert. TM pretty much passes your info to dozens of businesses on that first degree of separation alone.
So what, throw it out if they mail you stuff, delete it if they e-mail you stuff, say no thank you if they call, not that big of a deal.
said by SRFireside :
It's pretty lousy when a business that controls access to much of the venues forces you to comply to their demands to take your information and do what they want with it. Doesn't matter that you can circumvent it. You shouldn't have to deal with that sort of conduct in the first place.
Its pretty lousy when customers who go to concerts for somewhat reasonable prices gripe about the advertising that makes it possible for the bands to tour and you to be able to go. And they aren't forcing you to do anything, don't like their policies then don't go to concerts. period. |
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cableblows
join:2001-06-17
Indianapolis, IN
|  said by Taurus333 :
said by SRFireside :
Its pretty lousy when customers who go to concerts for somewhat reasonable prices gripe about the advertising that makes it possible for the bands to tour and you to be able to go. And they aren't forcing you to do anything, don't like their policies then don't go to concerts. period.
LOL what are you calling reasonable? all these HAMs are not worth what you pay to see them. (god, please bring back ALL of lynyrd skynyrd) and i still would not pay 200 to go see them |
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mjcrocket
Mjc
join:2000-12-02
Abingdon, MD
| reply to Taurus333
I also have to say that I do not see what the problem is! I have been a subscriber to their service for close to a year.
I have not received any SPAM from them or their venues. I did ask them to send me some very specific information concerning a specific venue. In the past year I have received three e-mails concerning events at that venue, none of which caused me any problem.
They have a real postal address, telephone number, e-mail address, etc for me and as best I can tell; they have not been the source of any SPAM or Junk Mail flood!
I have to agree that it appears recently a lot of "news" items posted here are of questionable value!!
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Taurus333
join:2001-04-06
Ohio
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said by cableblows :
LOL what are you calling reasonable? all these HAMs are not worth what you pay to see them. (god, please bring back ALL of lynyrd skynyrd) and i still would not pay 200 to go see them
well since my favorite bands are America, Rush, Kansas, Styx etc. I don't have that dilemma as most concerts I go to are under $35 and usually in the free to $15 range. Although I admit I paid $65 to see Pink Floyd and it was well worth it  |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
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said by mjcrocket :
I have not received any SPAM from them or their venues. I did ask them to send me some very specific information concerning a specific venue. In the past year I have received three e-mails concerning events at that venue, none of which caused me any problem.
Good for you. I have gotten over 25 emails within the last six weeks that I can directly link to Ticketmaster. Lord knows how many I am getting that I can't trace to them. Maybe their policy was different when you registered your info with them. I signed up recently so the stuff that's going on might be new.
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BIGHUSKER
join:2002-01-20
Minneapolis, MN
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If you don't get the tickets, big deal, you have exercised your choice to do so, just as Ticketmaster chooses to have its (admittedly inane) e-mail policy.
People also have the right to exercise their opinion, oh wise, anonymous brainchild. People have the right to bitch to TicketMaster about it, so save your "government regulation" diatribes for another debate, or pull another argument out of your ass. |
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BIGHUSKER
join:2002-01-20
Minneapolis, MN | reply to Taurus333
*YAWN* another half-assed attempt by Taurus to sound intelligent by trying to impress us with against-the-grain opinions. What a rebel... LMAO |
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Taurus333
join:2001-04-06
Ohio
| said by BIGHUSKER :
*YAWN* another half-assed attempt by Taurus to sound intelligent by trying to impress us with against-the-grain opinions. What a rebel... LMAO
hey what can I say, half the debates that go on around here are about such trivial things, just drives me nuts. And its not my fault that you guys are always on the wrong side of the debate  |
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MsTerra
Completely Ridiculous
Premium
join:2002-08-20
Somerville, MA
·Earthlink Cable Mo..
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| said by Taurus333 :
hey what can I say, half the debates that go on around here are about such trivial things, just drives me nuts. And its not my fault that you guys are always on the wrong side of the debate
I honestly wonder why you stick around BBR. Admittedly, some of us are charming as all heck, but as far as furthering the cause of marketing, I would think it would be more constructive for you to work within the industry to help bring more businesses up to your standards as you describe them here. It's great that you have standards, but to those of us on the other end of the phone/network/etc. it looks as though most in the industry don't.
I ordered tickets over the phone, and when I asked the TM rep what they wanted my email address for, she out-and-out LIED to me. I started getting spam from them shortly after placing the order. I believe I had to call them again to get them to stop. To their credit, they did stop, but I'll do my level best never to do business with them again. Putting that cheesy "we have to share out your email address" disclosure on the web site is bad enough, but lying to customers is just beyond the pale.
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Taurus333
join:2001-04-06
Ohio
| said by MsTerra :
I honestly wonder why you stick around BBR.
boredom maybe LOL
said by MsTerra :
Admittedly, some of us are charming as all heck,
ummm, gonna have to think about that one for awhile LOL.
said by MsTerra :
but as far as furthering the cause of marketing, I would think it would be more constructive for you to work within the industry to help bring more businesses up to your standards as you describe them here. It's great that you have standards, but to those of us on the other end of the phone/network/etc. it looks as though most in the industry don't.
But you know, even though you make a point, its not even the reason why I hang out here, for some insane reason it intrigues me that people want to spend time talking about things they don't like. And you gotta admit it, its more fun to debate than sit around complaining with like-minded people
said by MsTerra :
I ordered tickets over the phone, and when I asked the TM rep what they wanted my email address for, she out-and-out LIED to me.
And am I to believe that you never told a little white lie to someone either? There is a chance that the person you talked to had no idea why they were asking for it or were reprimanded for not doing so in the past and their job was at risk. Not trying to make excuses but if its company policy than the employees can't set the rules or go against them and you never know they may think it sucks just as much as you do. |
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systems2000
What? You Say It's Fixed. Hah
join:2001-11-29
Cyberspace | reply to Razzed
said by Razzed:
... If you don't like Ticketmaster, don't use them. No one is forcing you.
And where does one go to purchase tickets for events that are being sold only through TicketMaster? |
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Taurus333
join:2001-04-06
Ohio
| said by systems2000 :
said by Razzed:
... If you don't like Ticketmaster, don't use them. No one is forcing you.
And where does one go to purchase tickets for events that are being sold only through TicketMaster?
hmmm, major dilemma:
abide by the policies that the company who sells tickets has or boycott them and don't buy tickets and forfeit going to that event on principle or go through a ticket broker and pay double or more the price and you won't have to delete the few measly ads they want to send you for face value tickets purchased legitimately. See you have choices, there are pros and cons to each one but none perfectly cater to your personal wants and demands. That's life, deal with it. |
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Phattieg
join:2001-04-29
Jacksonville, FL | reply to PTS
Simple solution... When asked for your e-mail address, simply say "I don't use the internet." and be done with it... |
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BIGHUSKER
join:2002-01-20
Minneapolis, MN | reply to Taurus333
This post is pointless, even for you, Taurus. People are bitching about ticket master for these reasons....because they have "choices" and rights. |
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Taurus333
join:2001-04-06
Ohio
| said by BIGHUSKER :
This post is pointless, even for you, Taurus. People are bitching about ticket master for these reasons....because they have "choices" and rights.
Their only choices and rights are abide by company policy and do business with them or don't abide by company policy and don't do business with them. You can't have your cake and eat it to, that's life, learn to deal with it. |
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