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join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD
| reply to Hall
Mo Money, Mo Money, Mo Money
said by Hall  :
No one's mentioned this either, but the equipment isn't "free" with DirecTV *unless* you also sign up for a one-year contract.
A contract has it's advantages. A recent $2.00 per month price increase on DirecTV was held back on my account until after the remaining 9 months of the contract. Because of the contract, I don't pay the price increase.
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stridr69
join:2003-05-19
San Luis Obispo, CA
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Not only that, if one has digital cable, your VCR/DVDR can't record on one channel while you're watching WWE wrastling on another channel. Plus, half the time, say your watching Fox sports wherever, you get duplicate channels w/digital, thusly wasting your monthly $$$ on nothing. Just like having the "Dish"
I currently use Charter Pipeline(silver package), with their analog package(No converter-means HBO, Cinemax are out..as well as Pay Per View) and pay roughly $80 a month. For me, I don't watch that much TV and rent DVD's for my movie experience, but prefer the broadband experience just so I can be interactive with my otherwise(sic) meaningless lifestyle.
Plus, if, say my local NBC affilate(KSBY) broadcast's analog only, then whats the point? |
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rds24a
Teach Your Children
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join:2000-12-13
Springboro, OH
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My understanding of HDTV is that the picture uses bandwidth on the order of a DVD movie. Thinking generally that a DVD holds ~4 Gb of data, how are you going to get a PVR to hold that much data without losing quality, thereby defeating the purpose of HDTV.
There are some other discussions in this topic about DVR picture quality, and from what I've heard from friends who have TiVo it is comparable to a decent VHS tape.
If TWC would go 100% digital and offer HDTV in the $52 package, I probably would buy that and a new TV. Otherwise, it's status quo.
EDIT: And satellite is not an option. Been down that road. Signal quality is terrible in inclement weather, local channels are a joke, and I still cannot get any of the "local cable" channels that TWC offers. Also takes too damn long to tune a channel...slows down the flipping.
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sabersaw
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join:2001-08-21
Dayton, OH | reply to rds24a
the first service that will do HDTV with a PVR will be where my money goes to. until then they both are lacking. |
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gpancner
join:2001-09-27
Nine Mile Falls, WA | reply to mglunt
Care for some cheese with your whine? |
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Asshat35
join:2002-11-14
Fitchburg, MA | reply to dvd536
Actually the premium service with or w/o Tivo is the same. Yeah, I know it's factored in there somewhere but do I care? Not really. I don't pay any more $ than the guy w/o Tivo so it's a wash in my book. |
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tomertl
join:2002-09-01
Fairfax, VA | reply to 2farfromCO7
Who are these people who keep saying "with DirecTV you have to purchase the receivers"?? NOT TRUE! DirecTV gives you 2 free receivers and instalation!
Research before you post! |
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tomertl
join:2002-09-01
Fairfax, VA
| reply to puritan
Where have you been? DirecTv gives 2 free boxes and instalation FREE! Cable customers in my area (Northern VA - Cox Cable) have to pay $9.00 per digtal box a month, plus digital cable is about $20 more than DirecTv with a lesser quality signal.
DirecTv in our area is a no brainer. |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| reply to Asshat35
said by Asshat35 :
I don't pay a lick for the Tivo service as long as I keep on subbing to the Premium Package.
Surprise! the cost of that is factored into the price you pay for that package! you arent getting anything for free (specially with the media companies)
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2farfromCO7
join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI
| reply to puritan
Actually, you didn't. There hasn't been a good DHP deal since the first half of 2002. Back then, you got 3 months free of your basic package(AT50,100, or 150) + locals. It's gotten worse and worse ever since. It then went to 1 month free of everything, now it's not even 1 month free for most people. Yeah, for 4 receivers it's the only way to go, but it's nowhere near as good of a deal as it used to be. BTW, I don't charge my customers the $49.95 and I give them an additional $50-$120 upfront. That made DHP one hell of a deal when it was 3 months free. Today you're better off just doing a 2 receiver plan and worrying about getting the 3rd and 4th ones later. |
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sabersaw
Premium
join:2001-08-21
Dayton, OH | reply to rds24a
hdtv rxer for direct tv $530+... cable tv additional 7 dollars a month. Plus, if and when it breaks its about a 8 minute drive to get a new one. |
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puritan
@63.99.x.x
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I think I got a pretty good deal when I signed up. I got a 4 room system. 3 of the 301 receivers, the 508 PVR, the dish, and installation. There was a $99 up front cost, then I got 49.95 back on the first months bill. I pay $70 a month for their top 150 package, which is every channel except for the pay channels.
When I had it installed, I specifically asked about removing the channels from the list. The install dude told me that I could lock them, but not remove them. I wasn't entirely happy because I want to have like 10 kids channels on the list so my kids could just hit the channel buttons to change.
But the programming package is $40 a month, which includes one receiver lease, then add $15 for the lease on the remaining 3 receivers, $5 for local stations, and $3 for the superstations.
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mikedz4
join:2003-04-14
Weirton, WV
 ·DIRECTV
 ·Verizon Online DSL
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·Comcast
| reply to puritan
yeah don't forget the 1+ year contract with satellite and the early termination fee for all the free equipment you get. You don't have that with cable. It bills month to month and you don't have to pay $250+ if you cancel before the end of your 1st year(no contracts with cable). |
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Freshie
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In my area [Toronto, Canada], 2 to 75 are digital with the converter. And believe me, it makes a difference.
We also don't have to get a bundle. The box, and 2-75 are $35CAD per month.
Each digital channel I want can be ordered separately, for $2CAD per month.
I can add channels or remove them anytime I want 24/7 via the internet, and by the time I've verified my decision to add a channel to my line-up, and gone to my remote, the channel is active.
I think it's pretty cool. I can order the Scream channel on Friday for the weekend to watch a horror-a-thon, and cancel it Monday. All without talking to a drone at a desk to do it. |
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Julio
Bachatero y Que?
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join:2003-03-19
Brooklyn, NY
clubs: | reply to rds24a
yes, i hate the fact that like 300 channels are like pay per view. they also hit you with hidden fees that they dont tell you when you upgrade. |
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Asshat35
join:2002-11-14
Fitchburg, MA
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You absolutely can customize Dish Network. I actually just upgraded from Dish to DirecTivo (had bad experience with their support so I switched, assclowns would not replace a receiver that was giving a horrible signal, green spots everywhere. Move good rec to tv and it's fine. They wanted to bitch about cabling, emi, anything but fixing the problem so I switched.)
Either way, Sat > Cable by far. Tivo/any PVR improves your TV experience. Since I've had Tivo, I've spent less time watching more programming. The ease of recording future events, season passes, pausing live TV, it's an amazing tool to have. Currently own 3 Tivo's with DirecTV (record 6 football games at once  ) and a normal Receiver as well. I don't pay a lick for the Tivo service as long as I keep on subbing to the Premium Package. I did not pay for any of the equipment (incentive deal to get me from the Dish and my 2x PVR setup with 2 normal receivers) or install. How can you go wrong with a deal like that? I do keep $10/month cable basic service for local channels (also get locals on Sat but I like the PiP viewing of sporting events) as well. That's about all Comcast will get from me, well until they offer HSI.
Anyways, Cable needs to bring alot more to the table than they currently offer to get Sat users to switch over. |
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sabersaw
Premium
join:2001-08-21
Dayton, OH | reply to mglunt
don't forget more money for local channels, and around here the local stations have extra cable stations that are not available on sat. Plus, I am probably one of the few people that see some value in cable access channels. |
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mglunt
join:2001-09-10
Fredericksburg, VA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to Nightfall
said by Nightfall :
Satellite providers advertise $39.99 a month for 150 channels, but only in the fine print do they mention you have to buy all the equipment up front.
LMAO - Watching too many Comcast/Cable TV commercials? I recently moved to an apt that can't get DTV.. I signed up for Comcrap "Digital" Cable. Let me tell you - there is NO comparison. Even the digital channels look like crap compared to DTV.
As for the equipment? You can get a FREE 2 room install if you are a new customer.. you just have to agree to keep service for a year - service that is about $15-$20 cheaper than "Digital" Cable TV... and a lot better, better sound, more channels.
Even if you buy the equipment, it's only about $50-$80 and comes with free installation. If you are switching from "Digital" cable, that pays for itself in only a few months.
No comparison - which is why companies like Comcast began punishing HSI customers who switch TV service to dish/dtv by hitting them with a $15 fee. Comcast knows they can't compete in quality/price... so they use their monopoly (in many areas) to try to keep customers.
Comcast would be better off going all digital, or dropping their rates to something reasonable. Analog is $43 where I live! |
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aztecnology
O Rly?
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join:2003-02-12
Murrieta, CA
·Verizon FIOS
|  reply to puritan
said by puritan:
My only real complaint about satellite is that I cannot customize the box. I want to set up a short list of channels for my kids to watch, and eliminate the rest. That isn't available yet.
Dish allows 4 favorite lists per receiver, I have one with just the channels I prefer, the wife and kids each have their own.
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Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
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join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
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THAT'S NOT TRUE!!! Don't spew lies and cable FUD. With DISH, there are NO PVR MONTHLY FEES!!! Buy what equipment up front? Right now with DISH you get a 2 receiver system installed for free + 3 months free AT100+HBO+Cinemax, plus I'll give my customers an additional $70.
Spewing lies?
The PVR isn't free. I never said anything about monthly fees at all for satellite PVR. I merely said the PVR isn't free and I am right.
As for buying equipment up front, you are right. The best deal on dish networks site is 12 $17 credits to make your system free. So you are paying for the system, but just not out of pocket. That is a nice deal you are offering.
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