LegoPower77
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Since it is more costly to wire rural areas, and we all pay for them because of that. . . Then they should have a Universal Housing Fund because real-estate is more costly in metropolitan areas. Let the bumkins help pay for my housing.
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Smokey
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ib50MbSoon
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From the FCC Website at »www.fcc.gov/wcb/universal_service/
The goals of Universal Service, as mandated by the 1996 Act, are to promote the availability of quality services at just, reasonable, and affordable rates; increase access to advanced telecommunications services throughout the Nation; advance the availability of such services to all consumers, including those in low income, rural, insular, and high cost areas at rates that are reasonably comparable to those charged in urban areas. In addition, the 1996 Act states that all providers of telecommunications services should contribute to Federal universal service in some equitable and nondiscriminatory manner; there should be specific, predictable, and sufficient Federal and State mechanisms to preserve and advance universal service; all schools, classrooms, health care providers, and libraries should, generally, have access to advanced telecommunications services; and finally, that the Federal-State Joint Board and the Commission should determine those other principles that, consistent with the 1996 Act, are necessary to protect the public interest.
That paragraph sure sounds nice but last time I checked on ISDN prices it would cost approx $300 to install and $180/mo in recurring fees, ISP not included. Hardly what I call "just, reasonable, or affordable". I don't know where all that USF money is going but its not helping this "bumkin".
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Smokey
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|  As I have said in the other forum, I have no problem with the usf, As the law intended it to work. But it dose not work in that way! The monies do not fund making the service in rural areas better, it goes to making the Telco’s richer. Just the thought of B. Ebbers getting his hoofs on this money pisses me off
»End the USF?!?
also this is a good line of comments!
»FCC's power to tax
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aztecnology
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said by ib50MbSoon  :
at rates that are reasonably comparable to those charged in urban areas.
There's the loophole - Charge the same for it everywhere...
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Smokey
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clubs: | ya, Whats Reasonable??? The gov has a hard time filling in that blank! |
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LegoPower77
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My point is that there are trade-offs as to where you live. In the city, you get close access to work, a night life, and of course, less-expensive broadband. But you also get smog, noise, and a high cost of living. In the country, you get nature, scenery, and a quiet life. But you also have to drive ten miles to the store and pay higher prices for broadband. How about we start a fund to help subsidize country people's gasoline bill since they have to drive further to the store?
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oliphant5
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Not only that but as Californians pay $2.30-$2.60/gal during the summer for gasoline, how about a USF so we pay the same at the South East? How about a USF for electricity and water rates? No reason why one person should pay $40/mo and another pay $10 for monthly sewer rates. How about a USF that makes freight rates with UPS, Fedex and Airborne flat versus distance based...seeing as in telecom the actual cost of delivery is to be ignored and absorbed by everyone else. How about a USF that builds airports everywhere since everyone should be entitled to fair and just air fares.
Hell, let's just have a 100% tax and have daddy government hand out what we get like Smurfberries.
People who move into the middle of nowhere know what they're getting into. If you want or need certain services then you should think about that when you choose a place to reside.
Don't move to the moon then bitch that you aren't getting cable internet.
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calvoiper
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The problem is, it's already passed. The enabling legislation is in place, and all it takes is 3 of the 5 people at the FCC to agree to impose it.
Now look at it this way: If you were a bureaucratic functionary in the government, at a likely high-water mark for your career, and your staff told you that if you vote "yes" on this proposal, you'll have several extra billion dollars to play with and make some of your (ersatz) friends happy, what are you going to do?
Yes--this is the sad state of affairs our government has been reduced to.
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Smokey
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not sure, but u do pay it. In az its called HURF highway user fund. so again ur paying oliphant!! Nad why cant i get my net on the moon???
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Tom Zachman
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It's corporate welfare....
The benefits are very visible in areas served by Rural Telcos. The benefits are invisible to none in rural areas underserved by the RBOCs.
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Tom Zachman
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From your link to a 5 year old Walter E. Williams comment: quote:
benefits should at least equal costs.
Should you ever need to communicate to us bumkins, write us a letter. Should you ever want us to come visit you, we'll gladly move into your subsidized house for our stay. |
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major marco
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said by oliphant5 :
Not only that but as Californians pay $2.30-$2.60/gal during the summer for gasoline,
You're only paying $2.60/gallon tops??? I have to travel between Monterey County and San Diego and I've seen 87 Octane jacked up to $2.99 down there starting Memorial Day thru Labor Day.
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zoom314
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Besides what in the heck does the 1996 Telecommunications Act have to do with Cable? Last time I looked the Cable TV/ISP providers aren't or haven't ever been a Telco at all. So, FCC (Michael Powell) Keep Your Hands off of Cable, It's not Telephone related service without voice capability and ethernet isn't a phone technology at all and neither is Cable TV service for that matter.
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jsouth
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You should live where I live. Not to stray to far off topic but I have only paid $174 tops for gas. Also the USF is just another attempt at socialism, kind of like the new tax cuts. Why don't the poor get the advantage of the cuts you ask? Because you can't get a tax cut for a tax you didn't pay. |
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Smokey
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the telecom act has the power to regulate all forms of communicatins, it was that large of a bill! Its also what allowed the cable services that we have today
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mrs213
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That was terribly lucid.
The FCC needs jurisdiction over cable services, if they're going to compete in the same space/serve the same functions as Our Friends the Phone Comp'nies. The FCC is not just about phone: it's about communications (see the acronym for more information). If they can regulate broadcast radio and TV, cable is a simple leap.
Don't let blind anger screw up your logic. I'm not sure I like Powell very much either, but hey. |
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said by LegoPower77 :
Since it is more costly to wire rural areas, and we all pay for them because of that. . . Then they should have a Universal Housing Fund because real-estate is more costly in metropolitan areas. Let the bumkins help pay for my housing.
sure! and those 'bumkins' that grow and raise the food that you eat should start charging 10x what they get now. i'm positive next week you'll be posting a whine about how a big mac value meal that used to cost $5 now costs > $30.
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oliphant5
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| said by morbo :
said by LegoPower77 :
Since it is more costly to wire rural areas, and we all pay for them because of that. . . Then they should have a Universal Housing Fund because real-estate is more costly in metropolitan areas. Let the bumkins help pay for my housing.
sure! and those 'bumkins' that grow and raise the food that you eat should start charging 10x what they get now. i'm positive next week you'll be posting a whine about how a big mac value meal that used to cost $5 now costs > $30.
We're already paying that charity in the form of the Farm Bill. |
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LegoPower77
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Actually, I'd just go long in the futures market and make even more money than I already do off farmers 
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