haright
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Re: but how much????
just wait until you have inside wire trouble and theres no one there for you to fix it |
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2farfromCO7
join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI
| The only inside wiring is the cable TV wiring. The only way to use it for most people with multiple phones is to use handsets which are expensive now, but when they get cheap, it will be more reason why the RBOCs are dead and WHY THEY BETTER GET OFF THEIR BUTTS AN FOCUS 100% OF THEIR ATTENTION ON AREAS THAT CAN'T GET CABLE MODEMS!!!! HALT ALL DSL DEPLOYMENT FOR ADDRESSES THAT CAN GET CABLE MODEMS. If they have any strategy at all they will do that. Unfortunately, they are all idiots. ESPECIALLY, SBC(Same Bull Crap) management. |
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ghenjei
join:2000-12-19
Grand Prairie, TX
| Cable has a much farther reach than DSL. Why would they give up all areas that can get cable? That would be giving up all urban areas with the higher population density - giving up a majority of the market, and then you would be back with a different monopoly, except with cable. The "strategy" would be to analyze what the cable companies have/do that they are missing, and to deliver that. Match all that cable can do, then improve. VDSL with video-on-demand and the like. You must think like the cable company...become one with the cable company. |
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2farfromCO7
join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI
| My complex has 400 units in 1/16 of a sq mile, in a sq mile that has about 3000 residents. Is that dense enough. My complex will NEVER have cable modems available. So SBC can go deploy an RT someplace that has cable and get maybe 50% of the market(if they're lucky) or they can deploy one here and get 100% of the market. VDSL is a pipe dream that will never happen. You spoke of the farther reach that Cable has? VDSL has almost no reach. VDSL is dead. ALL RBOC EMPLOYESS DESERVE TO BE HARASSED UNTIL POLICY IS CHANGED. HARASSMENT CREATES JOBS. Anger and hatred enforces corporat governance, grows the economy, and creates jobs. The economy was devoid of anger and hatred in the late 90's and look where it led us. We need to strike fear in the minds of CEOs. |
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ComputerGod
join:2002-10-13
Marietta, GA
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said by haright:
just wait until you have inside wire trouble and theres no one there for you to fix it
The telco will not fix your inside wiring free of charge. If you do not subscribe to their "maintenance plan" then it is an out of pocket expense. There is no difference, at least, in Bellsouth's territory. I cannot speak for others. |
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vonageha
@nyc.n | thats the point. whether or not you have wire maint or pay per visit you can still have it fixed.
But with vonage who's going to fix inside problems?? the cable guy?? joe the unlicensed electrician from the pennysaver???? |
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ComputerGod
join:2002-10-13
Marietta, GA | If it's an out-of-pocket expense, then anyone can fix it, such as free-lance electricians, or telecom freelancers, etc. I don't know if BellSouth would still fix it or not, I don't see why they wouldn't since they get paid for it. |
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murdok6100
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join:2002-06-20 | reply to haright
said by haright:
just wait until you have inside wire trouble and theres no one there for you to fix it
Which wire trouble? its a cable coax line for me.
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haright
@aol.com
| Well for most people ,you still have your existing telephone wiring thru the house. If you get your "power" from the VoIP box and distribute it thru the house via your existing phone wiring, thats what Im talking about. I dont see coax running to every phone jack.
"Re: but how much????
If it's an out-of-pocket expense, then anyone can fix it, such as free-lance electricians, or telecom freelancers, etc. I don't know if BellSouth would still fix it or not, I don't see why they wouldn't since they get paid for it."
I cant begin tell you how many freelance electrician screwups Ive had to go and fix.
I dont think BellSOuth would fix it, why lend out its expertise and know how to help a competitor service its end user? I would think thats one of the ways they diferentiate themselves from the competiton.
Currently, the bells do not fix,repair, install or even provide troubleshooting on a clec line. If the clec cant fix the problem, then its too bad. If they want the bell tech to fix it - well then switch back |
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Too Lazy to Register
@pacbell.n
| There are still concerns over VOIP that haven't been addresses yet, but the day is coming.
The 911 issues are resolved for some users, but not all, and there is still the issue of who powers it? One advantage good ol' telephony has is that it's self powered. And that means a lot after the tornado or earthquake. More reliable battery backups will address this.
And right now, there is the problem of SCALE. On a mass market level, (really big mass market) it hasn't proven itself. (yet)
The day is coming. But it won't be the only game in town. Good ol POTS will be around for a long time to come.
Just another choice for the consumer. Hardly the demise of the ILECs however. |
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murdok6100
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join:2002-06-20
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said by haright:
Well for most people ,you still have your existing telephone wiring thru the house. If you get your "power" from the VoIP box and distribute it thru the house via your existing phone wiring, thats what Im talking about. I dont see coax running to every phone jack.
Listen Pal - if the the lines worked before - they will work just fine for VOIP. If all the phones worked before with the existing "wires" in the house there should never ever be a problem until the user messes it up. And then again they have to pay for that - whether they pay moron verizon employees or they pay someone else.
same difference to me..
Wires in the house are a problem no matter what, verizon is no more competent than anyone else in the sector - it may even be cheaper "in the long run" to have a pro do it right in the first place.
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ucrazy
@verizon.n
| "Listen Pal - if the the lines worked before - they will work just fine for VOIP. If all the phones worked before with the existing "wires" in the house there should never ever be a problem until the user messes it up. And then again they have to pay for that - whether they pay moron verizon employees or they pay someone else."
never ever be a problem until the user messes it up????
Anybody on this forum who has any telecom experience can attest by that statement you have absolutley no clue about what your talking about.
Ive personally repaired thousands of inside problems where the user did not mess it up. S$$$ happens pal, just ask your local utlilty regulator how many hundreds of thousands "13" codes have been submitted on line repairs. Then again ,you already know that, and of course you know what a 13 code is.
"it may even be cheaper "in the long run" to have a pro do it right in the first place."
The only pro's I know who can do it right the first time will not even bother with residential phone wire work, its not worth it and people generally do not want to pay for it. Only the wealthy ,who will pay during a major remodeling get that type of work, the rest of middle class and poor america do not. |
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murdok6100
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Anybody on this forum who has any telecom experience can attest by that statement you have absolutley no clue about what your talking about.
Ive personally repaired thousands of inside problems where the user did not mess it up. S$$$ happens pal, just ask your local utlilty regulator how many hundreds of thousands "13" codes have been submitted on line repairs. Then again ,you already know that, and of course you know what a 13 code is.
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I dont know what a 13 code is.... Im ignorant that way. Im very ignorant as well with the blantent need for inside wiring contracts - its two wires. red and green right? How hard is it?
We're talking inside wiring here. No matter how complex the rats nest gets its, still two wires..
I also want an example of "thousands of inside problems where the user did not mess it up"
I do understand the prongs on the jack that go bad or rust or break - got it...
Does wire just sort of break, or do some folks just see the need to say "SH*T HAPPENS" and make a "S$$$ happens fix?"- and try to make everyone else look stupid?
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ucrazy
@verizon.n
| Lets start with the one yesterday with a swinging ground between the living room and master bedroom jacks. Dont forget to open up all the jacks, including the bathroom wall jack as well, since all the wires are inside the walls you dont know which way the electricians ran them. And since it was a 6pair ,there was no "red and green" wire...right???? what will I do now?
Good thing the alarm wasnt tied into the loop, that'll really throw you off. But since the circuit had door answering equipment on it, and also was on a fiber cable, theres no telling how hard it would have been to find and fix that swinging trouble, without a meter to help you at least.
Thank goodness they had the wire maintenance plan - I mean its just two wires right???
"Im very ignorant as well with the blantent need for inside wiring contracts - its two wires. red and green right? How hard is it?"
Im curious, you werent the customer I had a few years back that opened up the wall plates in thier newly moved into apartment and procedeed to call the phone company and say "the phone company messed up!!!!, theres no red and green wires in here, just alot of different colored wires- you need to come out here and fix this situation". I never got to meet them, I just kindly informed them over the phone that we do not have to come and replace the wiring because they say so. Not every situation is red green yellow black. Was that YOU???????? |
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murdok6100
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join:2002-06-20
| I understand about the rats nest (Its damn hard to do it without a meter). I've done them too. There can be a bundle of a boatload of wires, I got it - thanks.
I think we're not as off as you think. In my mind, if the phone system was a pots line, and there were no problems - VOIP would not change anything, you can put the ATA on one of the jacks and make sure that MA BELL is disconnected. Again, this is assuming there are no problems. The two wires that worked on the phone now still work. Of course it can get way more complex than that, but as far as the telephones and the VOIP box two wires is all.
I will NEVER need a inside wiring contract, I certainly dont have the money to pay someone to do so - when I can figure it out myself. Maybe I am cluless about all of the folks with fiber running thru their houses with open grounds and alarms systems.
I have respect for those who deserve it. I would never insult or demean in any way a technician in my house, no matter how much I believe in that persons skill. The thing is I am a professional as well and with my job I get customers who are clueless who think Im clueLess so I know how it feels. In my personel experience I have never had phone wiring problems just crop up for no reason. For me $hit does not just happen, for me a human has caused any and all of the phone wire problems...
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ucrazy
@verizon.n
| Well I agree with you that a human most likely causes any and all problems. Sometimes a tack from a carpet install barey pinches the wire and 10-20 years later it finally corrodes too, samething with a sheetrock screw the breaks the insulation and just barely touches the bare copper, you never know when the building settles and that 1/16th of an inch movement causes a trouble.
But then again ,ive had a piece of wire 5 feet long with a short in it but with no obvious defects on the outside.
In any case, there will always be inside wire troubles regardless of what service provider you choose. Its just a matter of having to deal with it when the time comes. |
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