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Unhygienix join:2001-11-07 Stouffville, ON	Updated 811493 Patch Anyone touched this "gem" yet. The original patch drastically slowed my machine and is well documented here in the forums. Wondering if anyone has tried the updated version of the patch? »www.microsoft.com/technet/securi···-013.asp -- Go Leafs Go
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Skipdawg The Original Premium,ExMod 2001-03 join:2001-04-19 The Void	Re: Updated 811493 Patch Just installed on both my XP Home and PRO PC's. All is well so far -- What?
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DSmithLady Premium,MVM join:2002-04-23 Deep South clubs:	Re: Updated 811493 Patch said by Skipdawg : Just installed on both my XP Home and PRO PC's. All is well so far For clarification..Y'all d/l the original update, uninstalled because you had problems and have now installed the revision and have not had any problems? -- It's really easy to join one of our Cancer fighting teams. JOIN TEAM HELIX! JOIN TEAM DISCOVERY UD/TSC!
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subzero57 Premium join:2000-06-28 Kent, WA	Re: Updated 811493 Patch Basically stay away from patch Q815021, that patch messes up everything. I installed this morning and restarted my pc and everything was freaking out. Since then I uninstalled it and put patch 811493 which works just fine.
	permalink · 2003-05-28 19:19:35 ·

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Re: Updated 811493 Patch

said by subzero57 :
Basically stay away from patch Q815021, that patch messes up everything. I installed this morning and restarted my pc and everything was freaking out. Since then I uninstalled it and put patch 811493 which works just fine.

Windows Automatic update has been quiet ever since Microsoft botched patch 811493. However, Windows Update came a knockin with patch Q815021 today. After reading subzero’s post I think I will hold off until I see some more feed back.

Anyone else here have the same experience as subzero?

As far as 811493 goes I think I’ll wait until Microsoft adds it to the Windows Update line-up and watch the feedback here in the meantime.

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Grimm You Never Hear The One That Kills You Premium join:2000-11-02 Largo, FL	Re: Updated 811493 Patch I have Update Q815021 installed, and my system appears to be running as smoothly, and as fast as ever... I also have the new 811493 installed.. Quite a difference from the original 811493! Grimmy -- Who..? ME?? Nahhhhh
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ezebob Premium join:2001-05-04 Ottawa, ON	said by subzero57 : Basically stay away from patch Q815021, that patch messes up everything. I installed this morning and restarted my pc and everything was freaking out. Since then I uninstalled it and put patch 811493 which works just fine. Sorry to hear of your problem but it works fine on my system.
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2kmaro Think Premium,ExMod 1 BC join:2000-07-11 ColossalCave clubs:	Re: Updated 811493 Patch I sure would like to get some specifics. More detail than "everything was freaking out". I've just finished installing it on this sytem and so far I don't see any obvious problems. What should I be looking for? -- Man - the animal voted least likely to leave well enough alone.
	permalink · 2003-05-28 22:07:20 ·

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Re: Updated 811493 Patch

This morning I came to my pc and in tools, clicked windows update. Once updated successfully I restarted my computer and walla my Symantec products didn't work and along with a few other programs to boot. So I did a system restore, got everything back as usual. Then I read this thread from Unhygienix stating the 811493 patch was available and downloaded it and it worked fine. So I was just sitting here and wondering what if I just download Q815021 one more time will it work. So I did and everything is fine. I was a bit scared, but I'm over it now.

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Try this9 Premium join:2002-05-05 Infinity	Looks like the MS server the patch is residing on now is overwhelmed.
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hurleyp join:2000-06-20 Ottawa, ON	I installed 811114, 811493 and 815021 this morning on my WinXP Pro laptop and desktop. Everything works just fine (so far) for me. I'm running NAV 2003. Paul [text was edited by author 2003-05-29 10:21:58]
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subzero57 Premium join:2000-06-28 Kent, WA	I just had troubles with Q815021 XP: Security Update. I had to uninstall it. It gave my Symantec products some issues. And also other programs I have wouldn't work. I'm wondering when Microsoft or Symantec will have a fix.
	permalink · 2003-05-28 18:58:28 ·

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Re: Updated 811493 Patch

said by subzero57 :
I just had troubles with Q815021 XP: Security Update.

This particular patch (Q815021) has been mentioned several times here. Just want to clarify: Q815021 is only applicable on XP if one is running IIS? Otherwise I can ignore this patch, right? or should I?

Edit: After the bad experience with original Q811493, I'm happy to report that the updated patch (5/28/03) installed quietly with no side effects. Whew!

[text was edited by author 2003-05-29 23:52:45]

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bcool Premium join:2000-08-25 The Ozarks	Re: Updated 811493 Patch oh by the way, I notice that Q815021 patch is made up of one (1) file, ntdll.dll 5.1.2600.1217 (SP2) so I guess it would be ok to install it even if I don't have IIS installed, ya think? -- "in flagrante delicto"
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bcool Premium join:2000-08-25 The Ozarks	Re: Updated 811493 Patch Q815021 patch is made up of one (1) file, ntdll.dll 5.1.2600.1217 (SP2) - an update related specifically to IIS. from what I gather, this patch does not apply to Home users unless you have manually added IIS which doesn't install with XP Home in its default setup. So I'll pass on Q815021... -- "in flagrante delicto"
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said by Unhygienix :
Anyone touched this "gem" yet. The original patch drastically slowed my machine and is well documented here in the forums. Wondering if anyone has tried the updated version of the patch?

»www.microsoft.com/technet/securi···-013.asp

Ohh so you want to know about those that took the plunge first?

I never d/l it on any of my comps because I heard about a possible problem with it from this site, and I was not willing..nor felt it necessary, to take the risk.

After all that's one of the reasons to frequent a forum like this.

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Unhygienix join:2001-11-07 Stouffville, ON	Re: Updated 811493 Patch I read that post here also subzero. I created restore points before I installed that patch. So far so good. As far as the 811493 fiasco... I create restore points before any patching takes place and I always visit here to see if the BBR folks (DSmithlady...hehe )are having problems with any MS patches or updates. -- Go Leafs Go
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Re: Updated 811493 Patch

said by Unhygienix :
I read that post here also subzero. I created restore points before I installed that patch. So far so good.

As far as the 811493 fiasco... I create restore points before any patching takes place and I always visit here to see if the BBR folks (DSmithlady...hehe )are having problems with any MS patches or updates.

That's my point...visiting here first is a good idea

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subzero57 Premium join:2000-06-28 Kent, WA	Downloaded 811493 patch and my Win XP machine and everything is working well. Thanks for the heads up Unhygienix.
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IzyBella Yogs Bella Premium join:2002-05-17 Mascoutah, IL	For those that downloaded the original one..should we uninstall first before installing the new one? Or should it fix everything without having to uninstall?
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Keizer I'M Your Huckleberry Premium,MVM join:2003-01-20	I thought Q815021 was a recommended update, not a critical update. So why would windows update "come a knockin" with that paticular patch? Keizer
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Re: Updated 811493 Patch

said by Keizer :
I thought Q815021 was a recommended update, not a critical update. So why would windows update "come a knockin" with that paticular patch? Keizer

I booted-up my XP laptop just over an hour a go and Windows Update has patch Q815021 as an Security update, listed under “Critical Updates and Service Packs”. This is why Windows Update came a knockin. Is your patch listed under “Recommended Up-dates”?

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Re: Updated 811493 Patch

Matter of fact while reading this thread, this machine suffered thru a popup announcing Q815021 - I'm holding off for a few minutes. But I'm walking across the room to let it be installed on another similar machine and I'll see how it goes over there before letting it "work its magic" on this one. And yes - it announces as a security update.
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timcuth Braves Fan Premium join:2000-09-18 Pelham, AL clubs: ·AT&T Southeast	Re: Updated 811493 Patch I just made a restore point, then installed Q815021. No problems are apparent, yet. Also, 811493 was not on my list. There was a critical update for Microsoft VM, but I don't use that so I removed it from my list. Tim -- As Milton Berle said, "My wife and I have a perfect understanding. I don't try to run her life and I don't try to run mine."
	permalink · 2003-05-28 21:24:15 ·

subzero57 Premium join:2000-06-28 Kent, WA	Re: Updated 811493 Patch Just a heads up. I just downloaded Q815021 and it seems to be working without any issues. Just so you know I downloaed it this morning and messed up some of my programs. So what I did was install patch 811493 1st after doing a restore and removing Q815021. So I thought I'd give it another chance and my system came back as normal. Just thought I'd let everyone know.
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kaybertoss Layne Staley 1967-2002 join:2000-10-28 Canada	Hi 2Kmaro, nice to see you here on the posting board. Please let us know how your patch job goes.
	permalink · 2003-05-28 22:17:47 ·

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Ha...I just got the same knock on my door for Q815021. There is another thread going that says that paticular update is a recommended update not a critical one. What is the number of the update that hosed 600,000 pc users internet connection? Maybe we should start one thread that keeps all these updates straight so we don't have to surf around and find the facts on differant threads.

Theres the one you are talking about...Q815021 that subzero says messes things up. Then there is the update that MS pulled...818043 that messed with Norton. Then there is the new revised 811493 that is supposed to be safe to load now? Boy....scary.....Keizer

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kaybertoss
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Re: Updated 811493 Patch

said by Keizer :
What is the number of the update that hosed 600,000 pc users internet connection?

I believe 811493 slowed a lot of people’s pc to a crawl but I’m not to sure about hosing their internet connections. 811493 is not out yet in Windows Automatic Update.

said by Keizer :
Then there is the new revised 811493 that is supposed to be safe to load now? Boy....scary.....Keizer.

After the big mess MS patch 811493 caused I’m a little gun shy! So I’m going to wait until it appears in Windows Update and watch the feed back here.

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Re: Updated 811493 Patch

[QUOTE= kaybertoss

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said by Keizer :
What is the number of the update that hosed 600,000 pc users internet connection?

I believe 811493 slowed a lot of people’s pc to a crawl but I’m not to sure about hosing their internet connections. 811493 is not out yet in Windows Automatic Update.

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That's why sensationalism works. That article referred to 600,000 downloads of the update, not 600,000 hosed computers. We need to read what we see not allow ourselves to be misled buy tabloid headline journalism.
I have never had a problem with any updates (Win XP). But I also keep all programs and drivers updated, including latest Nvidea driver windows update complains about.
I personally don't like Symantec products, so no problem there.
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I forgot to say That I've also loaded All the critical and recommended updates to date including those being discussed here today, No problems.
[text was edited by author 2003-05-29 02:14:14]

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Graystoke2 join:2001-12-26 Stockton, CA	I just installed it on my XP Home. Everything working fine.
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ezebob Premium join:2001-05-04 Ottawa, ON	Installed and no problems, if anything it increased my internet speeds. They may have got it right this time!
	permalink · 2003-05-28 21:57:36 ·

Unhygienix

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Just to clear up where I got this info. I subscribe to Microsoft Product Security Notification Service.

Info about this service is available here: »www.microsoft.com/technet/securi···tify.asp

The information on new patches and updates arrives in my inbox via this service usually before it shows up on Windows Update. I like to download the patches first and install later when I am quite sure they pose no problems. This way I can archive them for later use also.

I had installed the original 811493 patch and experienced the problems discussed in the link I have posted above. I then uninstalled the patch. Problem solved.

The updated 811493 patch is not showing up in Windows Update on my XP SP1 machine either. This is normal and am sure it will be there in couple days time.
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Unhygienix join:2001-11-07 Stouffville, ON	O yes...I must express my gratitude to Skipdawg, subzero and Graystoke for being the guinea pigs. Brave souls all. -- Go Leafs Go
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kaybertoss Layne Staley 1967-2002 join:2000-10-28 Canada	Re: Updated 811493 Patch Ah yes Unhygienix, I would like to second that!
	permalink · 2003-05-28 22:22:44 ·

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Well it does seem to be okay on this HP machine I'm working on. Atleast it's not any slower then it was...lol. I never knew a 1.8ghz machine could be so slow. Corel and it's bloody always run crud.

edit: I'm back on my own machine now, it doesn't seem to slow it down at all. Things are nice and silky anyway, but I'm leary of installing this patches. I still haven't figured out what one was the one that made my machine turn into a jumpy jitter bug. It wasn't 811493, tho it did cause it's own problems. Regardless...the hunt continues...
[text was edited by author 2003-05-29 01:23:34]

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IzyBella Yogs Bella Premium join:2002-05-17 Mascoutah, IL	Wow! I just uninstalled that puppy and my 1GB of RAM now acts like it..LOL I was thinking for the longest time that it was my computer and was on the phone with Gateway a few times..LOL Thanks!
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subzero57 Premium join:2000-06-28 Kent, WA	Re: Updated 811493 Patch The updated 811493 patch is now showing up in Windows Update on my Win XP machine. It's already released.
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jmacd27 Premium join:2001-05-13 Florida clubs:	I just installed both 811493 and Q815021 and my system seems to be running quicker for me. I created a restore point just incase, but so far things are looking good for me. -- Don't be sexist . Broads hate that.
	permalink · 2003-05-29 01:44:58 ·

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Just did a Windows update and both patches appear under “Critical Updates And Service Packs” now. The First one reads ….. 811493: Security Update (Windows XP) 3.2 MB. The Second one reads ……. Q815021 XP: Security Update 525 KB

I think I’ll install both patches tomorrow after I check back here one more time to see if anyone is having issues with either of these patches. So far it looks as if there are no major problems in this thread yet, even some systems being liberated.

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72245156 TSWB.org Premium,ExMod 2000-04 join:2000-07-11 Winnipeg, MB	Re: Updated 811493 Patch I just installed them both with no ill effects. Some things actually seem a bit quicker.
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vice8686 join:2000-10-13 Lancaster, CA	Re: Updated 811493 Patch said by 72245156 : I just installed them both with no ill effects. Some things actually seem a bit quicker. Yeah, I wasn't sure if it was just me or not. But things "seem" a little more responsive.
	permalink · 2003-05-29 03:07:56 ·

vice8686 join:2000-10-13 Lancaster, CA	Just checked Windows Update and q811493 is now listed as a critical update. Gonna try it now. EDIT: So far, so good:) No change in performance has occurred. [text was edited by author 2003-05-29 03:06:40]
	permalink · 2003-05-29 02:57:02 ·

mimimeme @mi.cha	Automatic update? Holding off on security updates? Creating restore points? Man! There sure are a bunch of people who obviously don't know what they're doing on here!!
	permalink · 2003-05-29 04:44:32 ·

DannyZ Gentoo Fanboy Premium join:2003-01-29 Erie, PA	Absolutely no problems with the patch here
	permalink · 2003-05-29 05:23:24 ·

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This is a release from MS about 811493

"Why has Microsoft reissued this bulletin?

Subsequent to the release of this bulletin and the associated patches, a performance related problem was identified with the Windows XP Service Pack 1 version of the patch. This problem is unrelated to the security vulnerability discussed in this bulletin, however the problem has caused some customers to notice performance degradation on Windows XP SP1 systems after applying the patch.

Microsoft has corrected this problem and re-issued this bulletin on May 28, 2003 to advise on the availability of a revised patch for Windows XP Service Pack 1."
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RXDOC You want what? Premium,MVM join:2002-03-13 Palatine, IL clubs:	Here's my post install update....after installing 811493 everything is perfect...no problems at all with performance!
	permalink · 2003-05-29 06:08:40 ·

2kmaro Think Premium,ExMod 1 BC join:2000-07-11 ColossalCave clubs:	Re: Updated 811493 Patch said by RXDOC : Here's my post install update....after installing 811493 everything is perfect...no problems at all with performance! Same here. That system seems to be working just fine - but it has NO Symantec apps on it. -- Man - the animal voted least likely to leave well enough alone.
	permalink · 2003-05-29 10:19:07 ·

DoubleT Premium join:2002-04-09 Dallas, TX	Re: Updated 811493 Patch Ditto here, no Symantec anything. Running fine with NOD32, TDS-3, and SPFpro on Win XP Home.
	permalink · 2003-05-29 10:21:03 ·

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Got home from work last night and kicked my friend off my computer for about 30 seconds when I saw the windows update icon in my system tray. It had 2 critical updates listed which I installed. I don't know the numbers but they both said they were security updates. After they were done I did not reboot. I run a server so I only reboot when 100% necessary and in the middle of the night. Anyhow, haven't noticed any issues so far. Haven't tried any of my Norton products either. Also didn't run the full Windows update to check for normal updates listed.
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