MacLeech
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join:2001-07-14
SoCal
| reply to Meeble
Re: Cable TV + Cable Modem
said by Meeble  :
that carries your basic cable so if you're paying the 9.99 already why wouldn't you be entitled to hook it up ??
Customer with Power Link only = Non-TV subscriber sub, so Adelphia doesn't have to pay the broadcaster its receiving its programming from.
Customer with Power Link and TV service = TV subscriber sub, so Adelphia does have to pay the broadcasters for the programming its passing on to its customer.
But a customer with multiple services only has 1 line going to the house and 1 account to take care of, so on Adelphia's end, multiple services don't incur the all costs of two separate accounts (1 TV, 1 Modem) and are discounted accordingly.
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Try this: (prices are guesstimates used for example only)
Power Link "ala carte" price: $51. 95
TV-Broadcast "ala carte" price: $15.00 (used for example only)
Combined "ala carte" service prices: $66.95
"Bundle" price for the same services: $54.95
Customer with service bundle receives $12.00 discount in this example case.
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Again, it should be "marketed" as a discount for those with bundled services, not as a mark-up for those without. Its "poor marketing" to call it increased cost for those ordering only a single service.
Its like the 2 for 1 deals at the supermarket. The price for 1 item is fixed, but if purchased together you get a "bundling" discount for both.
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Adelphia SoCal Page, BBR Tools Page. BBR FAQs on: Power Link, Cable Modems and Wiring, Cable Users.
[text was edited by author 2003-05-16 18:56:41] |
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MacLeech
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SoCal
| reply to UglyDork
said by UglyDork :
1 cable line coming into unit. That line is split to two tv's. The split line is then split again which connects to the Modem. That line is split again which goes into another TV.
Downstream Power -16.97 dBmV SNR 31 dB
Upstream Power 58.00 dBmV
The three splits in cascade explains why your downstream signal is so low and your upstream signal is so high, classic signs of too many splits. Both signal levels are on the edge of DOCSIS spec, leaning toward being totally out of spec. Come summer (or at least a hot day) your modem probably won't stay sync'd.
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Adelphia SoCal Page, BBR Tools Page. BBR FAQs on: Power Link, Cable Modems and Wiring, Cable Users. |
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UglyDork
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join:2002-01-09
Buffalo, NY
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| reply to MacLeech
You are correct about this Mac, and that is why I was surprised when it works for me.
I live in an Apt Complex.
1 cable line coming into unit. That line is split to two tv's. The split line is then split again which connects to the Modem. That line is split again which goes into another TV.
Three TV's and 1 Modem going off 1 line.
My speeds and pings are great. Pic on one TV is a bit cloudy but Im fine with that.
Lock Status Locked Modulation qam64
Channel ID 1 Symbol rate 5056941 sym/sec
Downstream Frequency 555000000 Hz Max Bit Rate 3000000 bps
Downstream Power -16.97 dBmV SNR 31 dB
Upstream Channel
The information display the current signal status of upstream channel.
Lock Status Locked Modulation QPSK
Channel ID 3 Symbol rate 2560 ksym/sec
Upstream Frequency 28000000 Hz Max Bit Rate 128000 bps
Upstream Power 58.00 dBmV
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smilepak
join:2002-02-27
Chino, CA
| reply to MacLeech
said by MacLeech :
It can be done but I would strongly recommend against it. You want something that looks like this not like this.
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Adelphia SoCal Page, BBR Tools Page. BBR FAQs on: Power Link, Cable Modems and Wiring, Cable Users.
So you would recommend splitting it from the source (which is in my case the splitter on the side of my house) rather than inside the house....
THanks!
[text was edited by author 2003-05-16 16:16:11]
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Meeble
join:2002-09-19
Champaign, IL
| reply to smilepak
what a bout hte extra 9.99 charge a month you have to pay for PL without cable though. Most local offices refer to it as the you have to order basic cable but your bill etc state it's the running of a certain frequency into your home deal. that carries your basic cable so if you're paying the 9.99 already why wouldn't you be entitled to hook it up ??
that whole 9.99 thing confuses me |
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MacLeech
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join:2001-07-14
SoCal
| reply to UglyDork
said by UglyDork :
Thanks for clearing that up though as I never could get a straight answer regarding this when I was at Adelphia.
No problem, glad I could help. As I said, the concept is poorly explained to most company reps and customers when they ask.
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Adelphia SoCal Page, BBR Tools Page. BBR FAQs on: Power Link, Cable Modems and Wiring, Cable Users. |
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MacLeech
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SoCal
| reply to smilepak
said by smilepak :
Could I later on split the line right at my cable modem and have the split line feed into the ATI ALL IN WONDER card for Cable TV?
Yes (if your paying for cable TV of course) but the reliability of your cable modem may suffer depending on how many other outlets are connected to the cable in your house.
Most cable systems are designed to have the cable modem connected to 1 leg of a 2-way splitter which is connected to the drop line running to the tap at the street. If you start inserting more splitters and other equipment into that dedicated line then signal levels to/from the modem drop, possibly into the unusable range.
It can be done but I would strongly recommend against it. You want something that looks like this not like this.
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Adelphia SoCal Page, BBR Tools Page. BBR FAQs on: Power Link, Cable Modems and Wiring, Cable Users.
[text was edited by author 2003-05-16 16:16:11] |
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UglyDork
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join:2002-01-09
Buffalo, NY
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| reply to MacLeech
I don't work at Adelphia anymore. That was just for my own personal knowledge  Thanks for clearing that up though as I never could get a straight answer regarding this when I was at Adelphia. |
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MacLeech
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join:2001-07-14
SoCal
| reply to mikes60
said by mikes60 :
Its good basic marketing to reward customers who add additional services with lower overall rates. The incremental cost of adding additional services to existing customers is always lower than adding a new customer. Its all related to the revenue per customer.
I agree, its just that the reasoning behind it is explained poorly to most company reps or customers, which results in answers such as the one MaxPowers gave earlier.
It also results in confusing explainations of pricing and the feelings of paying more for less service when in fact its supposed to be "rewarding" customers who have more service by paying less for the bundle than they would it they purchased the services separately.
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Adelphia SoCal Page, BBR Tools Page. BBR FAQs on: Power Link, Cable Modems and Wiring, Cable Users.
[text was edited by author 2003-05-16 16:04:27] |
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mikes60
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join:2001-07-31
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| reply to MacLeech
[QUOTE= MacLeech ] said by UglyDork :
But isn't the reason Powerlink w/o cable costs more is because Adelphia realizes people are going to connect a TV to the line?
Actually its just a side effect of poor marketing.
Mac:
I'm not sure I'd call this "poor marketing".
Its good basic marketing to reward customers who add additional services with lower overall rates. The incremental cost of adding additional services to existing customers is always lower than adding a new customer. Its all related to the revenue per customer. |
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MacLeech
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| reply to UglyDork
said by UglyDork :
But isn't the reason Powerlink w/o cable costs more is because Adelphia realizes people are going to connect a TV to the line?
Actually its just a side effect of poor marketing to say "it costs more if you don't have other services".
Purchased "ala carte", individual services (i.e. Basic TV, Digital, and/or Power Link) are priced at a certain rate, but if purchased "bundled" you receive a discount. Hence the discounts when you purchase Power Link with Basic TV service or Power Link with Digital TV Service.
Its priced that way to encourage "bundling" of services because its cheaper to provide multiple services to a customer if Adelphia already has at least 1 service provided to that customer.
Adelphia doesn't "just charge more because they know customers are going to hook up a TV anyway". Since broadcasters providing programming access to Adelphia charge Adelphia depending on Adelphia's reported subscriber count, customers receiving TV broadcasts but not paying for them are ripping Adelphia off, who in turn is ripping off the broadcasters, because more subscribers are watching the service than Adelphia is reporting. So Adelphia has their techs install filters to block services customers are not paying for.
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Adelphia SoCal Page, BBR Tools Page. BBR FAQs on: Power Link, Cable Modems and Wiring, Cable Users.
[text was edited by author 2003-05-16 16:00:29] |
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smilepak
join:2002-02-27
Chino, CA
| reply to smilepak
I meant down the road if I switch from my current DirecTV to Adelphia cable TV
Anyhow,
I was thinking of order the modem access with cable TV, but I currently have DirecTV and I don't think it is worth switch over yet. Until Adelphia roll out with HDTV, then I might consider switch. HDTV with DirecTV requires me to replace the dish to the 3 LNB version.
In the meantime, I am planning to see if I should have my desk closer to where i could later on fee two separated line, one for CABLE TV to my ATI ALL IN WONDER and CABLE MODEM, if I could later one split it at the cable modem because both signal goes to the same line at the same time, I could place my desktop somewhere else without worries. |
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Jabbu
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join:2002-03-06 | reply to smilepak
Depending if the tech puts a filter or not you could get full basic instead of just the broadcast. A friend of mine pays $13 for broadcast and 56.95 for powerlink.
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UglyDork
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Buffalo, NY
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| reply to MacLeech
quote:
If you don't pay for TV service it will be filtered out before it gets to your home.
But isn't the reason Powerlink w/o cable costs more is because Adelphia realizes people are going to connect a TV to the line? |
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MacLeech
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| reply to smilepak
said by smilepak :
Someone told me that Adelphia will install a filter device if I order a cable modem w/o cable TV
This is true and should be what happens.
If you don't pay for TV service it will be filtered out before it gets to your home.
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hobgoblin
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join:2001-11-25
Orchard Park, NY
clubs: | reply to smilepak
Its called theft.
Hob |
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smilepak
join:2002-02-27
Chino, CA
| I know this question might've come up a few times, but I am unable to find it.
If I ordered cable modem from adelphia w/o Cable TV. Could I later on split the line right at my cable modem and have the split line feed into the ATI ALL IN WONDER card for Cable TV?
Basically could cable TV & Cable Modem feed off the same line at the same time?
Someone told me that Adelphia will install a filter device if I order a cable modem w/o cable TV because there isn't a way to control basic cable & data access at the same time?
Thanks! |
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