DHRacer
Fire Survivor
join:2000-10-10
Lake Arrowhead, CA
 ·Charter Pipeline
 ·Verizon west (ex G..
| There could be good for many...
2far, is it that time of month for you again?
You have a right to complain about your lack of service in your area. I can see that you are all unhappy because the War has started, but none the battlefields are in your area.
There is not much you can do, besides rail against the companies that wont deploy to your area, but this is a discussion about the pros/cons of a price war, should it really get going.
You should try seeing the possible benefit of this situation: If companies have to lower their rates to be more competitive, then they will have to sign up more subscribers in order to earn the same amount of money before they cut the prices.
So this war may actually help force a company to deploy in your area so they can make some money back. The constitution gives you are right to yell about the sky falling, but I don't think you are seeing the whole picture here.
I hope that you get some service soon, even if it's 384 down and only up 95% of the time, as you say you want anything better than dial-up.
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2farfromCO7
join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI
| Sorry, I don't live in Fantasy land like Redlands CA, where there's probably a CO every sq mile, with phone lines made of gold, being serviced by SBC/PerfectBell as opposed to SBC/AmeriCRAP. My issues are relevant. They talk about this like it will start a price war, and I say that's dead wrong. It won't start a price war unless they agressively OFFER DSL WITHOUT FURTHER DEPLOYMENT. SPEED IS THE MOST IRRELEVANT ISSUE. It's all about availability. The fact that Cable prices haven't dropped at all and have even gone up in many cases as well as adding caps only proves I'm right. Cable probably sees DBS TV as far more of a threat than DSL, although that threat can easily be defeated by charging 33% more for cable modems without cable TV. DSL IS NO THREAT AT ALL, at least to profitability |
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Asshat35
join:2002-11-14
Fitchburg, MA
| Right-O you are. DSL/Cable is a minority product now. Less than 40% of the nation has potential to acquire this technology.
As for a price war. PW's are great for the consumer but you won't see them happening in areas with singular solutions (that being an all cable or all DSL region). If PLC ever gets going it will pose the greatest threat to both factions and create a REAL price war. PLC is a tech that has not the artificial boundaries (old cable networks, fiber lines, distance limits) of the incumbent solutions. Once the noose is tightened we'll see how the teleco's and cable monopolies respond. Until then this is a minor consumer benefit. |
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bigboy
join:2000-12-04
Palo Alto, CA
|  reply to 2farfromCO7
Change your attitude or change your location
That's what one of my best managers I ever had the opportunity to work for taught me about life.
If broadband is really that important to you -- 2 years of ranting does indicate that it is -- you can always move. If you're unwilling to move, then maybe it's not that important? |
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DHRacer
Fire Survivor
join:2000-10-10
Lake Arrowhead, CA
·Charter Pipeline
·Verizon west (ex G..
| reply to 2farfromCO7
Re: There could be good for many...
So in your terms, it's not really an all you can eat buffet, simply because not everyone can eat from it? And you are more concerned about having everyone be able to eat from it, and not how much they eat?
You know, I don't think you have the right to attack where I live. You could not be more wrong. First of all, it's Verizon out here, and they've made a dog's breakfast out of the service that was once GTE. Secondly, I live 3,000 linear feet from my CO and Verizon refuses to give me 1.5 down as part of their new "plan". And no, there is not a CO every sq. mile, few people qualify for DSL out here, most have to go with cable, which is adelphia, and just as bad, and just as illogically unavailable to most.
And I still hold that the price war will further deployment into areas currently not served. Just because you want them to wait until everyone has it to start a price war, it won't happen. This price war has to force them to deploy, not the fact that not everyone has it. It's only a matter of time before we are all capped, DSL or cable, and it takes time to "nationalize" all the disparate plans. Verizon is doing this now, I'm sure others will follow, cable included.
You may see the glitter, but it's not gold. It's Pyrite, at best. My neighbor is a Adelphia sub-contractor, yet he has DirecTV. What does that tell you? |
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rtcpenguin
Premium
join:2001-01-21
Fairfax, VA
·Cox HSI
| reply to bigboy
Re: Change your attitude or change your location
said by bigboy  :
That's what one of my best managers I ever had the opportunity to work for taught me about life.
If broadband is really that important to you -- 2 years of ranting does indicate that it is -- you can always move. If you're unwilling to move, then maybe it's not that important?
That's ridiculous! I've been ranting about broadband for years, but my family is more important to me than it is...its not easy to just pick up and move away. Just because it isnt more important than my family doesnt mean I dont have the right to rant about it.
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| said by rtcpenguin :
That's ridiculous! I've been ranting about broadband for years, but my family is more important to me than it is.
People will need to learn and accept that the broadband world does not revolve around them. There are going to be places in this country that are simply not profitable enough under the current regulatory environment to justify making the upgrades needed to support broadband. Maybe these places are super-rich inner ring suburbs (sorry for the echo) and maybe these places are out in the middle nowhere, but broadband (at least DSL) ain't gonna happen there... so there's really nothing to complain about. No company owes them broadband or anything else.
And incidentally, I too used to feel utter frustration about Verizon's non-deployment of DSL. But moving wasn't an option for me and I ended up having to live with dialup (even doing telecommuting using that... ouch) until Comcast set up broadband here... no one in my family died because we shared a single dialup connection.
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bigboy
join:2000-12-04
Palo Alto, CA
| reply to rtcpenguin
said by rtcpenguin :
That's ridiculous! I've been ranting about broadband for years, but my family is more important to me than it is...its not easy to just pick up and move away. Just because it isnt more important than my family doesnt mean I dont have the right to rant about it.
No it's not.
We now know what your priorities are. I never attacked why anyone hasn't moved, just the fact that if broadband is *so* important that it requires two years of ranting, then it is worth moving. I'm glad that you are putting your family about broadband. At least someone has their priorities straight.
In any case, you may have the right to rant, but then I should have the right to make comments about (i.e. point out the ridiculousness of) the people who spend all their time ranting. Free speech goes both ways, you know. |
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ComputerGod
join:2002-10-13
Marietta, GA
| reply to 2farfromCO7
Re: There could be good for many...
Why don't you have Satellite, it goes up to 400kbps, and is above the 384 you are requesting. The guarantee that you want (which is no guarantees) is also a fundamental facet of Satellite. Weather, solar flares, your neighbor's cat, they can all screw up your service, and it is strictly an "as is" service. |
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2farfromCO7
join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI | Satellite has extremely high latency, and is very expensive. |
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