jungleman406
join:2003-04-22
Highland Park, MI
| reply to fancydancer
Re: If you have a choice, choose cable.
I respect your opinion but you are being cheated, you said it yourself cable don't allow it's customers the opportunity of sharing their bandwidth with out digging deeper in your pockets. I personally have DSL and I love it I have it networked and it runs beautifully. I didn't have to use SBC's equipment but I am going wireless soon so I will give them a try. I think you should give your local phone company another chance you might like the response you get.. |
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ComputerGod
join:2002-10-13
Marietta, GA
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Re: If they don't expand the availability it doesn't m
said by rradina  :
Only when it's as reliable and available as the common dial tone will it lead to other pervasive technologies.
It took quite a while for the dial tone to be as reliable as it it today. I think that DSL is getting there. In the past 4 years I've seen provisioning times go down from months to days, ranges extended greatly, and arguably better quality. We'll get there...one day. |
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fancydancer
Perception is reality
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join:2002-08-28
Springfield, IL
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|  reply to Frohike
Re: If you have a choice, choose cable.
I, obviously, have had better luck with cable than most and a better deal (under $60 bucks for both internet and tv-60 or so channels). Downstream has always been consistently around 3mbps. I must be blessed to be on a low-traffic node. Just do what I do, if you get cable, tell everyone its horrible, so they won't get it and use up YOUR bandwidth. I had Dish but it kept blacking out and I wanted my local channels. It was late when I made that post last night, so forgive my assumptions. One thing I know for sure, from experience as a gamer, DSL is superior when it comes to latency but if raw speed is what you crave, cable is the way to go. |
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Frohike
Premium
join:2000-07-23
Waxahachie, TX
| reply to fancydancer
said by fancydancer :
Everyone watches cable TV, right? So why not make a "too good to refuse" combo package?
Thats a big assumption, which is wrong. I have Dish, cheaper and more channels. Once I got rid of cable internet, cable TV went with it. Paying almost 60 bucks for cable TV and another 30 for cable. Dish is cheaper and DSL is same with rock solid bandwidth, no more wondering what my speed will be when I surf, 4000kps 1 minute, 200kps the next. No thanks  . |
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2farfromCO7
join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI | reply to fancydancer
I don't see "distrust" as being the differentiating factor. People distrust both cable and telco monopolies. Debating which is worse is like debating who is worse: Saddam or Osama? |
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corrosive23
join:2002-06-06
Yucaipa, CA | reply to fancydancer
Nope, the only coax in my house comes from the dish network dish, to the reciever, other than that, screw cable companies, pay 50+ a month for 1/3 less channels. |
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fancydancer
Perception is reality
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join:2002-08-28
Springfield, IL
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| reply to rradina
Cable is limited on the upside (128k for me) because the cable company chooses to do so. This is so residential customers cannot host a bandwidth-sucking server while not paying for it and to reduce p2p file-sharing. DSL service is spotty by nature and a 1.5mbps up/down connection cannot compare to a true T1. I don't see DSL being as popular in the future as cable for reasons such as a general distrust for the phone company and a reduced need for a home telephone (cell phones). Everyone watches cable TV, right? So why not make a "too good to refuse" combo package? |
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gnucleus7
Number 3 Forever
join:2002-06-06
NASCAR | reply to MPScan
Re: If they don't expand the availability it doesn't m
yeah right, If you don't have 5kft of bridge tap or 3 load coils.........
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rradina
join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
| reply to Frohike
Thank God for regulations. In my opinion what some propose is ridiculous and desperate.
Gee, you're too far for water service so sometimes you can take a shower, other times you'll have to stink it out. Take what you get and don't complain or don't get water!
Would anyone in their right mind want to knowingly sell a product with that marketing slogan? Imagine the cable company counter ads.
"Tired of your you might be up today DSL service..." In my opinion, broadband is an idea encompassing affordable, high-speed, always on, reliable communications to the masses. Only when it's as reliable and available as the common dial tone will it lead to other pervasive technologies. Right now the cable companies have a huge advantage because they can offer availability that makes DSL look like bad technology. If cable can increases the consistency of their service, it's over for DSL unless the RBOCs slap themselves, snort some coffee and continue expanding their coverage areas.
I think DSL has a key advantage in that cable is bandwidth limited on the up side. If the DSL providers could start offering more symmetrical services for the same price, they would attract a lot of interest. Unfortunately they still have to increase their coverage and say goodbye to their worries that high-speed DSL upstream speeds will cause businesses to eliminate their dedicated T1 circuits. That's like walking to the plate with two strikes -- it'll never happen! |
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2farfromCO7
join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI | reply to Frohike
This is why I always say that DSL is LESS AVAILABLE TODAY than it was 3 years ago, especially since RT deployment has completely halted. |
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Frohike
Premium
join:2000-07-23
Waxahachie, TX
| reply to 2farfromCO7
The reason RBOCs don't offer service upto 18k, regulations. RBOCs are regulated to maintain certain satisfaction. After 16k, the chances of maintaining good customer satisfaction dramatically drops (signal degradation is dramatic). SBC use to offer DSL upto 17500ft but had to drop it down to 14k due to falling below the satisfaction level. Then SBC later upped it to 16k guaranteeing only 192kps at that length. As time moves on and more technology comes available to strengthen the DSL signal from the CO, then the loop length will get longer.
FYI-Non-regulated entities like Covad etc, arn't under the same service restrictions as RBOCs.
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Mike
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join:2000-09-17
Pittsburgh, PA
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| reply to 2farfromCO7
There can be a 384kbps link maintained at 18k feet if the copper is in fairly good condition. You can stop whining and get broadband if Verizwho is in your area.
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2farfromCO7
join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI
| reply to MPScan
Beggars can't be choosers. If you are over 12000ft you get 384k with no refunds for downtime as long as your service is up 66% of the time. Take it or leave it. Just provide the service as is. Test the line(FOR REAL!!! NOT JUST TYPING THE ADDRESS INTO A DISTANCE CALCULATOR), if it can take 384 AT ALL, you offer it under those conditions. You don't like the conditions don't sign up. Beggars can't be choosers. |
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MPScan
Premium
join:2001-08-24
Boston, MA | reply to 2farfromCO7
I don't see what would be so hard about this.
By design, ADSL service is meant to be capable of providing service to 18,000 ft at a speed of 1500kbps. |
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