telecaster22
join:2002-12-10
| I wanna run cat 5 about 500 feet
I have DSL in my house.
I want to set up a router in the house and run a line from it to the shop that is at least 500 feet away so i can have DSL in my shop
Will i need a repeater?
Also,any specific type of cable since it is going to be buried?
and any other suggestions is highly appreciated.
thanks |
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LinkTech
Former Linksys Tech
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Mission Viejo, CA | you can run cat5e cable up to 328ft, then put in a switch and run another 328ft. Make sure its a switch and not a hub. |
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Rcdude10tc32
Eat Mcdonalds, Die Happy
join:2003-04-10
Cary, IL
|  reply to telecaster22
If your going to run 500feet of cable underground, your better off getting dial up internet at your shop. In 100ft you loose soooo much bandwidth, I can't even imagine how much 500 will loose. It might not even work. but if you still want to give it a try go ahead. I think you could pay for around a year of Dial up internet for the amount of money it would cost for the 500 feet. I don't know of any places that sell 500 ft of cable so your probably going to have to crimp it your self, but i bet you could find somewhere that sells it. crimping it would be cheaper though.
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metal1
Premium
join:2002-10-27
Melfa, VA
| reply to telecaster22
I cant help with the repeater but here is some conduit to bury the cable in
»www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN···00009260
If you bury the conduit get a roll of string and tie a baggie on one end of the string and stuff it in the conduit then hook up a shopvac to the other end and it will suck the string through for you. |
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telecaster22
join:2002-12-10 | reply to telecaster22
Only problem is.
I will be burying the cable and i dont know where i would plug up the switch. |
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Rcdude10tc32
Eat Mcdonalds, Die Happy
join:2003-04-10
Cary, IL
| This is going to be quite a sight, i really home you post pictures of the process. Your going to have a building with a wire coming out of it and then going underdground then it coming up and it connecting to a switch, then going back down into another building. wow |
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skyjock41
Shag Diesel
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join:2001-12-11
Patrick Afb, FL
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| reply to Rcdude10tc32
said by Rcdude10tc32  :
If your going to run 500feet of cable underground, your better off getting dial up internet at your shop. In 100ft you loose soooo much bandwidth, I can't even imagine how much 500 will loose.
Im running a 100 feet of cat-5 in the house and i get the same bandwidth that the desktop pc get at about 4 feet of cat-5. Now when you go past 300 feet you start to lose packets. If you place a router at about 250 feet youd be fine. But since its outdoors your going to need something weather proof along the way.
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tschmidt
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join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
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| reply to telecaster22
Somewhere along the run you need to bring the cable up to a pedestal and locate the switch in it.
The other alternatives are to use limited distance modems or DSL modems to drive the line. You could also go with fiber or wireless.
If you decide on Cat 5e be sure to use direct burial cable even if you run it in conduit. Direct burial cable is gell filled to keep moisture and water out.
[text was edited by author 2003-05-01 15:46:31] |
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Rcdude10tc32
Eat Mcdonalds, Die Happy
join:2003-04-10
Cary, IL | reply to telecaster22
you know now that i think of it, something that would work alot better then all of this is running a telephone line to your shop and then hooking up the dsl modem there. It'd be alot cheaper and no need for a switch. |
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telecaster22
join:2002-12-10
| reply to skyjock41
For some reason i was thinkin you could run cat 5 further than that,guess i was wrong....lol
[text was edited by author 2003-05-01 15:50:04] |
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Rcdude10tc32
Eat Mcdonalds, Die Happy
join:2003-04-10
Cary, IL | i'm pretty sure you can run telephone wire for pretty long with out lag. i have a 100ft extension in my house and it's fine |
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telecaster22
join:2002-12-10
| reply to Rcdude10tc32
I have 2 dsl modems......?
Could i run fone line to my shop then hook up the other dsl modem?
Wouldnt that be showing up as 2 IP addys?
Dont think they will go for that.
What about wireless?
[text was edited by author 2003-05-01 16:17:35] |
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skyjock41
Shag Diesel
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Patrick Afb, FL
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| reply to telecaster22
Ok first off you can run the 500 feet but you just wont get the performance like the cpu in the house will. Going wireless isnt going to fix your problem here. Its cheaper to run a separate line to the shop itself.
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robbin
Premium,MVM
join:2000-09-21
Leander, TX | reply to telecaster22
Fiber has gotten pretty cheap. Just bury a conduit and run multi-mode fiber in it. |
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skylabpc
join:2002-03-31
La Canada Flintridge, CA
| reply to telecaster22
Run a cat5 the 500'. Then use HPNA over one of the pairs to get your DSL line out to the shop. You can use the other pairs for phone lines or something. The whole thing will cost like $100 including wire and the HPNA stuff + conduit to bury the wire in. |
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whitefishdj
Premium
join:2001-12-27
Alameda, CA
 ·Comcast
| reply to telecaster22
Cheap solution:
-depending on your bandwidth need, you could go HPNA phoneline network up to 1000 feet at roughly 10Mbps speed.
-if most of what you want is connection for DSL, rather than file sharing with other PCs at your site, 10Mbps is more than enough.
I've run it at 200 ft w/o any problem and routinely get 11Mbps, but the specs are 1000 feet. Packets are compatible with TCP/IP networks - you just need a bridge or bridge/router combination unit. Both netgear (RP334) and linksys (HPRO200) offer routers with hpna built-in, although I think netgear unit is at end-of-life.
-you can find router/bridges like Netgear(Zyzel) RP334 for about $30-$40 on ebay. The NICs go for about $10-$20. USB adapter costs a little more.
-depending on how much you wan to save in initial cost, you could run cat3 w/o any loss of HPNA bandwidth. -if it were me, I'd put the cat-5e cable in but run hpna for now. |
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Picaso
join:2003-01-23
Beverly Hills, CA
| reply to telecaster22
CAT 5 is 100 Meter at 100Mbps before degradation of signal, what's the rate of drop after 100 meters?
Has anyone tried running beyond 100 Meter you'll probably only lose some throughput. What's a DSL line at 768K or 1.5M max, at 500' throughput will be probably still be over DSL rate anyways.
I suggest you pull the CAT 5 the distance over ground first and see what happens before you get out of control. It may work just fine for your needs, then just drop some PVC in the ground and pull it through. |
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Beowulfagett
join:2002-04-12
Powder Springs, GA
| reply to telecaster22
I have a cat 5 line run 435ft to my father garage from the house and I lost just a little but nothing major . Most depends on what you are going to be doing? If it is just files transfer you will be fine, but if you are going to be downloading from the net alot forget this method.
If I remember correctly a cat 5 line can be run up to 500ft without adding a repeater, but that class was a few years ago. |
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trparky
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join:2000-05-24
Cleveland, OH
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| At this point, get some fiber and two Ethernet-to-Fiber converters and run that. I believe both converters will need to be powered.
Fiber, that stuff can go a long distance without losing any data or bandwidth.
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Rcdude10tc32
Eat Mcdonalds, Die Happy
join:2003-04-10
Cary, IL | where can you buy the fiber and adapters
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