JakCrow
join:2001-12-06
Palo Alto, CA
| Public dissatisfied with ILECs
And just yesterday someone said:
"What makes you so confident that the public is extremely dissatisfied with the ILECs- more so than anyone else? Because a bunch of people post on DSLR that they feel that way?"
Looks like a large chunk of Utah isn't happy now either. Are they "just whiners" too? |
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c0mmander
join:2001-10-03
| w00topia! finally some actual competition. my cable co charges our area just for BASIC channels that everyone else gets for free (NBC/FOX/CBS/ABC), that $145 a year i could spend on something else. meanwhile SBC wont give me DSL because i use AT&T for local, so they dont want my business.
municipal fiber plus powerline broadband, bring it on!!!
too bad i'm stuck in graydavis liberal land of debt so it'll be awhile before we do anything like utah does |
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keyboard5684
join:2001-08-01
Youngsville, PA
 ·Teliax VOIP
 ·WestPAnet Inc.
 ·WestPAnet Inc. CA..
| How is eliminating the ILECs and replacing them with government controlled services better? Have you ever attempted to get a pothole fixed in front of your home? It practically takes an act of congress to get the crews out there to solve the problem.
To me it does not sound like things would be better, it sounds like they would be the same. You have private companies competing for the services but who regulates the use of the fiber? To me this sounds like tariff rates that will not easily be changed by your demand for lower cost services.
Do the costs come from a lovely broadband for everyone charity? They come out of your pocket one way or the other. I would rather pay a local telephone company guy $18 an hour rather than some lazy local government employee $25 per hour to take 6 weeks to come out and fix my internet connection. Better yet, a local ISP with control over the network and more concerned about fixing the problem than getting to the bank to cash his check.
Prices and service levels controlled by the demand of the market rather than regulated by government and unions sounds better to me.
Its my understanding that power companies are large faceless companies with the same image as your phone company. Broadband over power lines may work but your not getting anywhere company wise. You simply have another large money hungry utility with your services in there lap.
Some attitudes play into the game of large companies or governments scraping cash off of charging you too much. Kill the small cow because the big cows have some tastier milk is really what the group of big cows want you to keep thinking.
I do not think the government has your best interests in mind. Its all about money and the government is just as concerned about missing out on this financial bliss as your telephone company. Do you think the government taxing cigarettes so much is because they are concerned about your health?
I think progress is great but I doubt you want to assume this is the best thing for you. Its about people who need to make the boat payments. People get blinded by the promise of great things to come without questioning the situation. |
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Boogeyman
Drive it like you stole it
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join:2002-12-17
Huntsville, AL | Have you read any of the user reviews of the places that have county controlled broadband?
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ib50MbSoon
Formerly TwoKDialup
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join:2002-06-07
Coloma, MI
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said by keyboard5684  :
How is eliminating the ILECs and replacing them with government controlled services better?
With municipal broadband, we can vote the bad guys out. Since the local elected officials will be using the same municipal system as the taxpayers, I don't anticipate a problem.
With ILEC services, we have absolutely NO voice in the matter and we will be stuck with 2K dialup service.
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keyboard5684
join:2001-08-01
Youngsville, PA
·Teliax VOIP
·WestPAnet Inc.
·WestPAnet Inc. CA..
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Yes, and they look good.
In the long term, 5 or ten years from now, is this really going to be seen as a good thing?
In a way this has been attempted before. Forcing the local telcos to "share" there networks. The only difference in this case is replacing the telco with a government system. |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| reply to keyboard5684
said by keyboard5684 :
Do the costs come from a lovely broadband for everyone charity? They come out of your pocket one way or the other. I would rather pay a local telephone company guy $18 an hour rather than some lazy local government employee $25 per hour to take 6 weeks to come out and fix my internet connection.
Yeah but the lazy local government employee gets the job done eventually as opposed to the ILEC/CLEC/Cable connection where people go with months of piss poor service with no hopes of EVER getting ANYTHING done with all the intercompany fingerpointing going on. my view has always been "slow is better than no"
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vic102482
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join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD | reply to keyboard5684
1 provider is ALWAYS good. Its not about providers is about competition, thats what you are failing to see:).
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tiger72
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join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
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| reply to keyboard5684
said by keyboard5684 :
In a way this has been attempted before. Forcing the local telcos to "share" there networks. The only difference in this case is replacing the telco with a government system.
but not.
The telcos paid for the network buildout and were/are later forced to open their own networks up to competition. In this case, the city is providing the medium thus no company is forced to do anything against its wishes. This way the companies cant monopolize on the lines also.
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tomsprat
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join:2000-11-03
Fort Lauderdale, FL
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quote:
How is eliminating the ILECs and replacing them with government controlled services better?
I didn't read anything that suggested eliminating ILECs, just providing more choice. Consumers can choose a provider that utilizes the fiber-optic network or they can use their existing ILEC copper connection, which the ILECs have decided not to improve upon.
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mculbert
Macbot3000
join:2001-04-11
Clive, IA
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Actually all of us, our parents and grandparents paid for the telco's networks through years and years of taxes paid toward defense spending on the network. It's our network, only the telco's have the deep pockets for the bri... er, contributions.
The network was funded like the interstate highway system, but unlike the telco networks, on the interstate you are free to use who you wish to obtain your goods and services. Hell, if you want, you are free to use it to go get goods and services yourself! |
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JakCrow
join:2001-12-06
Palo Alto, CA
| To clarify things:
The bells inherited the existing infrastructure in 1996 when things were deregulated and the existing bells went from public utilities to private companies that didn't have to spend a penny of investor money to build networks from the ground up. While parts of the networks have been updated, the bells have been on easy street by not having to start from scratch. So any time they say the networks are investor built, that's only a small part of the larger picture.
Deregulation really should have made separate network "operator" type companies and services companies out of the bells to begin with so as to prevent the debacle we have now, but that would have made too much sense.
[text was edited by author 2003-03-30 23:08:54] |
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murdok6100
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join:2002-06-20
| reply to keyboard5684
said by keyboard5684 :
How is eliminating the ILECs and replacing them with government controlled services better? Have you ever attempted to get a pothole fixed in front of your home?
PUH-LEAAZE!
The post office is government run and its one of the most efficient organizations in the world. Besides, my township doesn't even bother with pot-holes, they contract it out.
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