rgwarren
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join:2002-04-25
Stevensville, MI
clubs: 
| 5871 and a single IP -- a question
Ok. I don't have the luxury of multiple IP's anymore. TransEdge wants one of my arms and possibly a leg for extra IP's.
How do I setup the 5871 so it's just a modem. I already have a D-link router that does the NAT and DHCP. This has been working great so far while I had 5 IP's.
However...
Given one IP address how do I do that? I know how it worked with a block of 5 but now I'm trying to get the single assigned IP and it's gateway IP traffic to be handled by the D-link instead of the 5871.
I really don't want the 5871 to do NAT or DHCP and I really don't want to DMZ forward from the 5871 to my D-LINK configured with a non-routable IP. I screws too many things up. The D-Link needs to know the routable IP address.
BBG this sounds like your turf. Any ideas?
Otherwise I'm going to go thru hell with the 600 page CLI having to setup all the rules and firewall routing that's so much easier with the D-LINK. |
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ChrisTheCat
join:2002-09-04
Portland, OR | I'm not sure of the specifics, but what you want is to set it up as a bridge. SDSL doesn't use modems. |
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rgwarren
Premium
join:2002-04-25
Stevensville, MI
clubs:
| Well I'm still running using my BritSys account with IDSL and it's got an IP for the router and I have 5 IP's that are just passed through to my switch.
I'm just trying to figure out how to do that if I'm only given one IP. (which is coming soon)
There has to be a way with this router to do that! It does everything else. You just have to read about 600 pages to find it! |
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Dunke
Premium
join:2000-09-30
Medford, OR
 ·Charter Pipeline
| reply to rgwarren
same principal different equipment:
have a bridge, passes through the static ip to linksys router, in the linksys i assign the static ip with all dns/gateway stuff, have dhcp shut off in linksys and assign static (lan) ip address to each machine (within the linksys lan ip range), on each machine i assign the linksys as the gateway. may not help ya, but thought i'd throw it out..
there is a great efficient hardware forum in here you might want to check out....
were you 5 extra ip address public?? |
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ChrisTheCat
join:2002-09-04
Portland, OR
 ·Speakeasy
·Qwest.net
 ·Clearwire Wireless
| I've got my 5871 in bridge mode with one public IP passed through to my LinkSys router. The router shows the public IP to the Internet and shows 192.168.1.1 to the local network. Computers on the local network can be assigned IP by DHCP or can have static IP, but in either case they are assigned 192.168.1.100, 192.168.1.101, 192.168.1.102... The 192.168.x.x IPs are local only. Additionally, I have the router configured to use NAT to pass all requests on port 80 to the computer running my web server, all requests on port 22 to a different computer running an SSH daemon, etc.
You should try to find a newsgroup (try »groups.google.com/ ) for your specific router.
[text was edited by author 2002-11-06 23:06:21] |
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rgwarren
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join:2002-04-25
Stevensville, MI
clubs:
| That's the router, a 5871. Anyone know if you can run the router in bridged mode with a NEN connection? I've been trying all night. No luck. I just want it to look like a dsl modem. Nothing else.
Anyone familiar with the CLI commands for this beast?
I had it configured with the 5 BritSys supplied public IP's and just used one for the d-link router. No problems. With only one IP assigned by TransEdge that's where the fun starts.
Everything else is easy. Fighting with the 5871 is what's a pain. |
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ChrisTheCat
join:2002-09-04
Portland, OR
·Speakeasy
·Qwest.net
·Clearwire Wireless
| said by rgwarren  :
That's the router, a 5871. Anyone know if you can run the router in bridged mode with a NEN connection? I've been trying all night. No luck. I just want it to look like a dsl modem. Nothing else.
Yes, you can run the 5871 in bridged mode with NEN. I've got that setup now. Unfortunately, I can't tell you what settings you need to change, as mine was configured by the line installer. |
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rgwarren
Premium
join:2002-04-25
Stevensville, MI
clubs:
| I think I've found the set of command line instructions to try.
I've written a Windows program that let's you program filters for a 5800 series router via the RS-232 port without having to type anything. Just click the ports and enable/disable with all the other options. I'll have to expand it's scope now to include DHCP and NAT stuff as well.
I'll have it looking like a D-Link in no time!  |
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callipygian2
join:2001-01-30
Albuquerque, NM | I telnet in and do everything by hand.
I'd be interested in having a look at your program though, whenever you are done tweaking it. |
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FlyingKiwi
join:2001-02-27
Victorville, CA
| reply to rgwarren
This is very easy to accomplish. First things first, TransEdge would like you to keep the Speedstream as a router, rather than a Bridge. They can not gain access to a bridge for trouble shooting purposes.
With that in mind, you should also leave a telnet port open for them to gain access to the Speedstream.
Once you are in the Speedstream, type:
sys addserver me tcp 2323 2323 23
This will mean if you telnet to the WAN IP of the router using port 2323 (standard telent port is 23) you will be redirect to the Speedstream router.
Now you can pass through the traffic (port for port) to the Dlink, Netgear, SysLink, SOHO Firewall, whatever your flavor of router / firewall box your like.
Your Dlink box will still need to have a private IP assigned to it on the WAN (Public side - but that is NO BIGGIE - everything will still work, trust it, and try it.)
Lets make some assumptions now:
Speedstream WAN (DSL)address: 64.166.12.2 255.255.255.252
Speedstream Ethernet address: 192.168.254.254 255.255.255.0
Dlink (WAN / Public) address: 192.168.254.1 255.255.255.0
Dlink (LAN side) address: 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.0
Server (mail) address: 192.168.1.2 255.255.255.0
Host (PC Anywhere) address: 192.168.1.3 255.255.255.0
DHCP Address Pool: 192.168.1.10 thru 192.168.1.20
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in the Speedstream you would use Hostmapping:
sys addhostmapping 192.168.254.1 192.168.254.1 64.166.12.2
save
reboot
Now you would set DNS for your servers as 64.166.12.2
The Speedstream will pass all traffic port-for-port through to the Dlink, except port 2323 which is now the port used to telnet in to the Speedstream.
You will need to setup DHCP and NAT within the DLink now.
Prsonally, I would throw the Dlink away and use the Speedstream as a router - it has a lot more horse power and features.
flyingkiwi |
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rgwarren
Premium
join:2002-04-25
Stevensville, MI
clubs:
| That's what I've done. The D-Link is now just a wireless AP. Less things in the loop will reduce the potential for problems. Plus the 5871 seems to balance multiple connections more smoothly.
However, the only way into my router is via an RS-232 connection. I don't want any security holes and I'm quite comfortable configuring a simple router. I don't need TransEdge tweaking it. It's working just fine. I bought a couple 5871's on EBay real cheap so if one goes bad I'm not going to have to pay the $239 CPE charge.
I work with some bigger Cisco stuff every day so a little 5871 isn't going to win.
Thanks for the info. |
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FlyingKiwi
join:2001-02-27
Victorville, CA
| said by rgwarren :
I bought a couple 5871's on EBay real cheap so if one goes bad I'm not going to have to pay the $239 CPE charge.
Buyer beware!!!! Not all 5871's are the same.
In fact New Edge supplied 5871 will not work with any other DSL service. Covad, Northpoint (now Worldcom) and many others use 5871's the chip sets are not the same, they are not interchangable. TransEdge will only credit you for a failed piece of hardware they did not supply. |
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rgwarren
Premium
join:2002-04-25
Stevensville, MI
clubs:
| I've tested my 5871-002's and they work with NEN (TransEdge) and I've also tested a Flowpoint 144-16 that works great as well. With the latest firmware on each there are no problems.
I think the NEN (Britsys) supplied 5871 was a 5871-012. The -012 just works with a wider variety of cards back at the CO. |
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dallash
Premium
join:2001-08-17
Little Rock, AR
clubs:
| reply to rgwarren
Hey rgwarren,
If you are a pretty smart guy (I know you are), Transedge won't mind you running in bridged mode.
I have about 10 5871's in the field (all -002's), of which 3 are in bridged mode. Since I can't telnet to them, I'm unable to see the configs on them, but there is a utility (not the speedstream POS) to program the routers as such.
IM me.... we'll talk. It's much better than doing all that filtering/config'ing/port-redirecting crap.
Dallash |
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dallash
Premium
join:2001-08-17
Little Rock, AR
clubs: | reply to rgwarren
One thing I forgot to mention.... The upstream router (your router's default gateway) must also be configured differently if you are in bridged mode.
I guess that's kind of important, huh? |
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rgwarren
Premium
join:2002-04-25
Stevensville, MI
clubs:
| Even if it's bridged you can set it up using the RS-232 port. I've disabled everything anyways so that's how I work the 5800 series for most people I help get setup and going.
It would be interesting to see the entire actual CLI script starting with a "factory reboot" |
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tfbnet
T F B N E T
join:2000-09-25
Fallbrook, CA
| said by rgwarren :
It would be interesting to see the entire actual CLI script starting with a "factory reboot"
Be sure to do a "factory reboot" first, of course.
SDSL Bridge
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
system name
system msg NENConfig
system community public
system admin
remote add wan
remote setprotocol rfc1483 wan
remote setpvc 0*38 wan
eth ip options txrip off
remote enaBridge wan
eth ip disable
eth ipx disable
save all
reboot
SDSL Routed
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
system name
system msg NENConfig
system wan2wanforwarding off
system community public
system admin
remote add wan
remote setprotocol rfc1483 wan
remote setpvc 0*38 wan
eth ip enable
eth ip addr 192.168.254.254 255.255.255.0
remote setsrcipaddr wan
remote setrmtipaddr wan
remote addiproute 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 1 wan
remote setiptranslate on wan
remote blocknetbios on wan
dhcp set addresses 192.168.254.6 192.168.254.20
dhcp set valueoption domainname
dhcp set valueoption domainnameserver
save all
reboot
IDSL Routed
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
system name
system msg NENConfigsystem
system wan2wanforwarding off
system community public
system passwd admin
dhcp set address 192.168.254.6 192.168.254.20
dhcp set valueoption domainname
dhcp set valueoption domainnameserver
remote add wan
remote setdlci 16 wan
eth ip enable
eth ip addr 192.168.254.254 255.255.255.0
remote setsrcipaddr wan
remote setrmtipaddr wan
remote addiproute 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 1 wan
remote setiptranslate on wan
remote blocknetbios on wan
save all
reboot
Change IDSL To Bridge
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remote add wan
remote setdlci 16 wan
remote enabridge wan
eth ip disable
save all
reboot
[text was edited by author 2002-11-13 19:51:30] |
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dallash
Premium
join:2001-08-17
Little Rock, AR
clubs:
| reply to rgwarren
Cool...thanks TFB...
I guess I'm too lazy to config one of the 5851-012's on the shelf and look at the output..
Too many DSL's to sell/install/support
Just remember rgwarren, that TE/NEN has to configure their AGG router differently depending on whether you're bridged/routed.
Dallash |
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rgwarren
Premium
join:2002-04-25
Stevensville, MI
clubs: | Yup. I figured that out when I was trying to bridge the modem/router back the days when I had a Britsys connection.  |
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AKA27
join:2001-07-14
Broken Arrow, OK
| reply to rgwarren
I know some know this .. but
If your connection is setup in bridge mode at ISP, you can still configure the router in routed mode to work over the bridge connection.
Which is currently how im running.
The router has the ability to run RFC 1483 MER which is exactly what its meant for.
So with a bridged connection at ISP you can set it up as router using protocol rfc1483 mer
Your router wan is set with your only static IP address and you can set your lan side with internal non routable static ip's or even let the router handle it dhcp.
This was something I asked here about a year ago and everyone including britsys was saying it can't be done. There was one person here who said it could be done, dont remember who but I believed they worked for NEN.
I just knew it had to be possible and I finally figured out how by trial & error and some clues from one at NEN via email. They didn't know what I was wanting or understanding what I was trying to get at for awhile. |
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