Konaguy
Live From Kailua-Kona, Hawaii
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Kailua Kona, HI | Yeah you'll be scared
Yeah you'll be scared when the FBI or US Customs knocks
down your door to confiscate your computer if you have
copyrighted material on it. |
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RayW
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Layton, UT
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| said by Konaguy  :
Yeah you'll be scared when the FBI or US Customs knocks
down your door to confiscate your computer if you have
copyrighted material on it.
Do not even have to have anything on it (the computer), with a warrant and 'due cause' they can take the computer and have it tied up as evidence for a long time. All it takes is an 'expert witness'.
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| they need a warrent to enter, i myself have a PC with music files, but i dont share them i only download then close the program. i can ping it on my network but its missing somewhere in the house.......
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Konaguy
Live From Kailua-Kona, Hawaii
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Kailua Kona, HI | reply to RayW
Would you care to expand on your comment further ? |
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RayW
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| said by Konaguy :
Would you care to expand on your comment further ?
Just that the way the laws are written now, the police/FBI/other John Law can with 'due cause' (that is in quotes because many, including many cops apparently do not believe that it is truly due cause) be issued a warrant and told to go get your computer (and you too). Then with the backlog of court cases, your machine is tied up as evidence until after the trial or whatever is finished.
Thus far to the best of my knowledge this has only been done for true criminals and kid porn, but technically it can be forced if the RIAA and associates want to do it. And remember, in the US of A, money talks very loud, unless you can change that to being picked on because you are in certain minority groups.
This is from just one law enforcement source, I do not know how other areas of the country feel about this. And a good lawyer may be able to circumvent some of this.
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RayW
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| reply to Kearnstd
said by Kearnstd :
they need a warrent to enter, i myself have a PC with music files, but i dont share them i only download then close the program. i can ping it on my network but its missing somewhere in the house.......
Yes they do need a warrant, and the fact that you downloaded files without paying the RIAA et al for them now makes you a hardened criminal. Somehow I do not think that was the original intent of the laws, but that is what the interpretation looks like it is being forced to.
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danc694u
And Your Point Is?
join:2002-01-10
Moody, AL
|  reply to Konaguy
said by Konaguy :
Yeah you'll be scared when the FBI or US Customs knocks
down your door to confiscate your computer if you have
copyrighted material on it.
Unfortunately, I'm like 95% of America. My entire hard drive is filled with copyrighted material.
Since I can't write the code, I'm forced to use copyrighted material. Which I paid for.
NOW...with that piece of information out there. I hand you this piece.
Have you not noticed the number of people using P2P software, that have no clue what folder(s) they are supposed to be sharing? Therefore they are sharing their entire hard drive!!!
Are they but COMMON criminals? Or just idiots that have no idea how they are supposed to set up their software?
Not everyone can be a PC expert. Not everyone even comes close to understanding PC security. Even those of us who do understand these things. Hit a snag from time to time.
Will we be locking up all these defined idiots? Or will we give them a mulligan?
When calling for the immediate enforcement of these laws. Be very carefull what you wish for. It could be your 80 year old grandmother that gets hauled off to jail next week.
Don't say this can't happen. Because our NUMBER 1 rule in the US courts is...Ignorance of the law, is not an excuse/defense.
You can't say, quit downloading P2P software. Because WinXP now allows for easy remote access. Therefore can be set up to work like P2P.
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Surfinusa
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join:2001-02-08 |  reply to Konaguy
Major offenders get slap in jail. Minor offenders get a slap on the forehead. Happy Surfing  |
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nater5308
join:2002-07-13
Omaha, NE | reply to Konaguy
Thats why I keep a bottle of gasoline and and aim and flame next to my computer. |
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Konaguy
Live From Kailua-Kona, Hawaii
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Kailua Kona, HI
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Do not even have to have anything on it (the computer), with a warrant and 'due cause' they can take the computer and have it tied up as evidence for a long time. All it takes is an 'expert witness'.
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I should've been more clear---How can they justify a
search warrant when the computer has no copyrighted/illegal
material on it ?
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RayW
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| said by Konaguy :
I should've been more clear---How can they justify a
search warrant when the computer has no copyrighted/illegal
material on it ?
Bingo. Just the fact it was traced to your IP at the time can be good enough.
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Never toss anything
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True, one would be scared. But I'd insist that they take all the computers in the garage also - several old 8088's, wang pc's, 80286, 80386's and some 80486's. My wide would most likely be very happy to get rid of my old "parts" pc's that could still work, but haven't been turned on in years. One question? Would I have to accept having them returned to me? I have about 50 of 'em but it's a lot of work to take them out to the recyle station. |
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RayW
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| said by Never toss anything:
Would I have to accept having them returned to me? I have about 50 of 'em but it's a lot of work to take them out to the recyle station.
That is a question I can not answer, do not know anyone in that field. Be an interesting way to get rid of junk (assuming you had your real machine hidden and a dummy in place).
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | great idea, when the feds come knocking i must remember to hide my good PC in that place where nothing is found by anyone but the cat. |
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elboomboom
join:2002-01-27
El Cajon, CA | Feds will never come knockin' for downloaded songs..........There are more important things like homicide or mob activity that they would be worrying about.... |
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