fireguy
@attbi.com | Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? Last two days as all downloads start they appear to have fast speed but then immediately start going down until each is under 1 kb/s Uploads too.
Noticed on two different computers in two different locations, both hooked to attbi. | |
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 WytBoyHatcha
join:2002-03-26
Carmichael, CA |  Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento?
What's going on? | |
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Chip
Premium
join:2001-12-23
Connecticut
| ATT has nothing to do with it. The anti file trading saviors of the universe, have decided that trading is a threat to the very existence of all humanity. What you are experiencing, is a denial of service attack. Not directed at you per se, but at the server of the files. Some of the p2p programs have a back door, that allow anonymous file access to their shared folder. The number of connections to this back door can't be regulated or detected. So all they do is make a shit load of requests, and eat up all the bandwidth. I read about this some place. I'll see if I can find it.
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fireguy
@attbi.com
| Thanks for the info. I would very much like to read more about this. So EVERYONE is having trouble right now? Seems like I would have read more bitching about it on these forums.
By the way, the attbi rep I just chatted with said attbi ain't throttling.
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Hello! Welcome to the Online Customer Support Center for AT&T Broadband service. A message from a customer care specialist should appear in the chat window shortly. Your session ID # is 2244327.
Eric J has joined this session!
Eric J says, Thank you for contacting AT&T Broadband, my name is Eric. I can help you with your question.
You say, Is attbi throttling certain ports or IP's?
Eric J says, By throttling do you mean blocking entirely?
You say, Kazaa or grokster
Eric J says, I'm not sure what port grokster uses, but Kazaa works with our service. We however do not provide technical support on either of those program. What type of program is grokster? A peer to peer transfer program like Kazaa?
You say, in past week downloads or uploads all begin fast then steadily go to less then 1 kb each. Appears as if there is throttling of the ports these programs use. Grokster uses same fasttrack service as kazaa.
You say, Are you saying you are not aware that attbi is doing anything? So it must be a fasttrack problem?
Eric J says, No, we do not throttle the ports that those programs use. There is not an maximum upload limit, or anything that would cause your uploads to drop like that
You say, Ok, thanks. I will try to find out if there is a problem with their services.
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GotNoRice
Internet Cynic
join:2001-12-04
Pleasant Hill, CA
| I had a Similar experience this morning.
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Hello! Welcome to the Online Customer Support Center for AT&T Broadband service. A message from a customer care specialist should appear in the chat window shortly. Your session ID # is ******.
George C has joined this session!
George C says, Thank you for contacting AT&T Broadband, my name is George. How can I help you?
You say, Is AT&T doing something to make Kazaa download slow?
George C says, I don't think so... I downloaded 10 gigs of porn last night and it seemed to go fast enough.
You say, Right. Is AT&T trying to block Kazaa?
George C says, nope! AT&T supports porn @ FULL SPEED!
You say, I see.
You say, so it must be a problem with Kazaa?
George C says, I'm downloading porn right now and it's working fine. Have you tried clearing out your temporary internet files?
You say, No I havn't, but i'll give it a shot thanks.
George C says, If that doesn't work, Unplug your modem and wait for about a minute, and then plug it back in.
George C says, your porn should download mighty quick after that.
You say, Right. Bye.
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mymegabyte
Mmm Glue
join:2001-12-09
Cedar Rapids, IA
clubs: | Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? Thats hilarious.... I wish every tech was as helpful as ""George"". | |
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gtdawg
Premium
join:2002-03-17
Los Angeles, CA | lol, thats one hell of a service rep that isn't following the books! LOL | |
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ez0k1
Zenith
join:2001-12-31
Sacramento, CA | That's so ****ing funny even though it may be fake. So what was your session ID #? | |
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SkippyST$
join:2002-06-01
_____ | Kazaa is the biggest waste of bandwidth on the planet. I hope they are all outlawed soon. | |
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ssj4android
Redefining Reality
join:2002-04-14
Wyoming, MI | I don't believe any DOS would be doing that. I'm remember that ATT is in an agreement to try to stop P2P. | |
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| DoubleT
Premium
join:2002-04-09
Dallas, TX | Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramen Why would AT&T go out of their way to stop P2P? Its one of the main reasons people get broadband. And why would they target only Kazaa and Grokster? | |
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Chip
Premium
join:2001-12-23
Connecticut
| said by ssj4_android:
I don't believe any DOS would be doing that. I'm remember that ATT is in an agreement to try to stop P2P.
You don't believe that the RIAA or any member of the music industry would do such a thing? Yet you choose to believe that ATT would?
"Create a DoS attack for Morpheus/Kazaa is quite simple. In fact, only the connections made from other users with the same application can be regulated and detected from the client. Anonymous connections (directly at 1214/tcp port) cannot be detected even by most personal firewalls such Zone Alarm, 'cause Morpheus/Kazaa needs to be in totally "Allowed zone" to open connections to outside sources. This "architecture" let's us flood this little web server with HTTP requests, in order to use all the available bandwidth and block Internet access on the target host. Each connection, in fact, will generate a socket in "TIME_WAIT" status on 1214/tcp port(visible with a simple NETSTAT command on the target host) that will cause the saturation of net resources."
So says "The Jackal" (edited a little for spelling)
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sacguy
@attbi.com | I'm having the same exact problem here in Sacramento! | |
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Qumahlin
Never Enough Time
Premium,MVM
join:2001-10-05
united state
| Um People...
A Denial of Service Attack would only effect searching and finding more sources.
if your downloading from me at say 100k a second..and someone launches the worlds largest dos attack against kazaa...you'll still be downloading from me at 100k a second because we are DIRECTLY connected hence that whole Peer 2 Peer thing 
it's just like a DCC in IRC...if someone is DCC'ing you a file, and you get kicked off the server...your DCC continues as long as they don't cut you off or turn off their comp | |
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Chip
Premium
join:2001-12-23
Connecticut
| Um qumahlin...
If you will re-read the thread, you will see that the explanation of a DOS attack on Kazaa, is in reference to attacking the software that is installed by the end-user, not the company(Kazaa.com) itself.
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Qumahlin
Never Enough Time
Premium,MVM
join:2001-10-05
united state | Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? Qapla,
How are they gonna mess with the software unless they send you a virus..it's not happening, and you can't DOS attack a specific program lol | |
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Chip
Premium
join:2001-12-23
Connecticut
| Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? I will debate anything with anyone in an intelligent manner. I'm not going to succumb to your mindless script-kiddy flame-bait drivel. Why don't you fire up your AOL connection, and go trolling somewhere else. LOL
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PcGamer
join:2002-06-11
Eugene, OR | Its useless battle for the music companys to resist, if kazaa dies 10 more will spring up... | |
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Return1
join:2002-08-11
Golden, CO
| Here's a test to try. Change the port Kazaa is using. Get a couple of your friends in the Sacramento area to change the port from 1214 to something else (see »www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers and pick something unused or private). If the transfer speeds get better then yes, ATTBI is throttling Kazaa network usage. | |
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Qumahlin
Never Enough Time
Premium,MVM
join:2001-10-05
united state
| ok, you say you'll debate in an intelligent manner, then you call me a script kiddy (i'm not) you say I use aol (I don't)
First off..you CAN NOT DoS a program...a Denial of Service does not attack a program.
The only way you could DoS a peer 2 peer program was if they used a central server like napster did to control all searches and such, but since the fasttrack network uses multi nodes and updates it's list everytime you connect..or it will search out nodes based on the last ones you connected too...you cannot attack it directly like that unless they launched a DOS on the hardcoded list of supernodes which is stored in the kazaa.exe.
Or do you expect the RIAA to DoS attack every ip that has port 1214 open?
So don't go calling me names and making assumptions..i've worked as a network engineer for quite awhile now...and I've never heard of anyone trying to launch a Denial of Service attack against a specific program...a port is not a program. because it isn't possible to attack a program unless you use a virus (of which 2 for kazaa exist)
The flooding connection attack you described would be useless unless you just wanted to piss a friend off...because the DoS'er would have to DoS EVERY person serving that file..which is unlikely
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rpesce
@ca.us
| you people are funny wow....
how about this... they DO NOT have to launch a DoS attack against every IP that is using port 1214...
they only have to attack the GATEWAY/ROUTER (s)
those are easily locataed... and typicaly do not block any request... the ISP figures that each user is responsible for his/her own security measures....
(i cant spell)
Unfortunatly that is out of YOUR hands....
you are at the mercy of the ISP security team... (provided that THIS is realy the problem)
but realy folks as an end user... you have a difficult task of troubleshooting ahead of you....
(stick a web server/ftp server on that port and see if it is affected the same way)
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rpesce
@ca.us | Re: you people are funny sorry... im lame... wrong place... didnt see the end of the thread... only page 1
fcuck you guys | |
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SNR-reporter
@attbi.com | Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? Hey. I'm a reporter with a rather popular paper around here - and a rather upset ATTBI customer to boot.
email me at akaheyyou@yahoo.com - I want to talk to people having these problems in hopes of doing a feature story. | |
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shorto85
join:2002-04-28
Fair Oaks, CA
clubs: | I have been experiencing the same problem... I download at 1k/sec but I upload to people around 5k/sec
Now something is screwy here! | |
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| heid95843
join:2002-08-11
Antelope, CA | Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? I have the same problem. How do I switch ports? I have done everything else that I can think of. | |
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| FryGuy8
join:2002-07-16
Antelope, CA
| it's not very hard to dos specific machines. For example, if the does a search of music, for example, he then gets a list of ip's that have that music. Then it's a very simple matter to send 1000 SYN/ACK packets to port 1214 on each one of those IP's. Since kazaa is listening on that port, it tries to accept the packets, and the port gets put into a TIME_WAIT state. Since kazaa is the program that is listening on this port, kazaa is the program that is being DoS'd. It fills up the connection queue of the bind'd port, and stops new connections. However, some of this may be incorrect. But yes, a program can be DoS'd. Denial of service does not have to be a bandwidth flood. For example if there was a buffer overflow bug in kazaa, it could be used to crash kazaa, which would be a denial of service because the service, kazaa, would be denied to people trying to use it. | |
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Qumahlin
Never Enough Time
Premium,MVM
join:2001-10-05
united state
| Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? Yes, but it does not go into a time_wait status forever unless they have a machine set to keep hitting the ports...and frequently...then they would eventually be trying to DoS million of machines.
Also the newer versions of kazaa are not vulnerable to this because it will open as many ports as it needs to if 1214 is full. Fire up a netstat or port watcher, then download like 20 mp3's off kazaa, it will open ports like 1214, 1389, 1943,1945...and so on
so the DoSer would have to flood every port kazaa will use... | |
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join:2002-08-11
Antelope, CA
| Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? Got to http-tunnel.com. I think you go through their server and assign a SOCKS5 address for Kazaa to go through so all traffic goes through port 80. I have the newest version of Kazaa and on netstat it was always port 1214 that had time wait or fin wait on it. I am not very smart with computers so with my limited knowledge it just made sense that it was someone blocking up my port. Is it only At&t users that are having this problem? | |
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join:2002-08-06
| Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? Oh man am I in trouble! I went to http-tunnel and downloaded the software. I ran it, and followed the instructions. I tried doing it without downloading kazaa-lite and without removing the spyware, and my kazaa would not connect with the SOCKS5 settings I set up.
So, I followed the instructions for kazaa that the help setting in http-tunnel said, and i ran the adaware software. I mist have killed my winsock or TCP/IP because I can no longer connect to the internet. If anybody knows what to do in order to get my connection up and running again, I'd greatly appreciate your help.
Also, once I do get the connection back up, how can I fix this kazaa problem?? What do I enter into the config settings in http tunnel?? | |
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join:2002-08-11
Antelope, CA
| Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? Skarface32,
In config settings, mark no proxy only firewall. Make sure you enter info into the hosts file on your computer just as the help page suggests. What system are you using?If you can, I would use system restore to set your computer back to before you started playing with it. Then you can identify what you shouldn't dump. I played around a bit with it before it worked but now it is doing great. | |
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join:2002-08-06
| Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento? Did you download the version of kazaa-lite that http tunnel recommended? I did this late last night, and it seemed to be working somewhat well. I tested my DL on 1 mp3 and my speeds were in the 40kbps range... not the best, but not bad... i'll try a few more | |
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shorto85
join:2002-04-28
Fair Oaks, CA
clubs: | I don't know if it is possible to switch ports... | |
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EngMN
join:2002-07-02
Saint Paul, MN
| As far as I know, we are NOT blocking, throttling, etc. Kazaa or Grokster on our networks. If we were going to slow down the transfers, why not just block them all together? I have no idea where these rumors get started. Anyways, as the other posters stated, it is most likely the RIAA/MPAA/etc doing their best to cause problems on those P2P networks. In fact, in case you didn't know, one of their lackeys in the house is trying to make it legal for them to do so :
»www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/26357.html
Lovely. | |
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WytBoyHatcha
join:2002-03-26
Carmichael, CA
| I just talked to my bro who is on Cox.net. He (and friends) is not experiencing any type of irregularity with Kazaa. Currently, it is faster for him to do my downloads, then transfer them to me via netmeeting haha ...ridiculous:)
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join:2002-04-28
Fair Oaks, CA
clubs: | I think we are getting screwed by AT&T somewhere in here and they just aren't saying anything yet! | |
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