careywb
join:2001-07-14
Chesapeake, VA | Hit 'em where it Hurts = how to stop this nonsense
The way to stop this is to boycott new CD purchases. Just a few months of living without, and, bada bada, bing...end of copy protection. |
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cprgolds
Woof Woof
Premium
join:2000-12-22
Portland, OR
|  Would It Really Do Any Good???
I agree with careywb in theory. But in all practicality, the people who would boycott CD purchases (or even know enough to boycott them) are a small fraction of the buyers and SONY would probably never feel the impact.
Having said that, I personally will not knowingly buy CD's with this copy protection just like I won't buy things from companies that litter my internet sessions with popups and popunders! |
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careywb
join:2001-07-14
Chesapeake, VA | I hear ya....but, more and more people are running CDs in their computer these days. If dissatisfaction grows large enough, there could be an impact. I, personnaly, wouldn't rule this out...small waves CAN sometime turn into large swells. |
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amoiseyev
Went For Beer
join:2000-11-14
Worcester, MA
| reply to cprgolds
said by cprgolds:
small fraction of the buyers and SONY would probably never feel the impact.
I think that Sony will see the impact of their own actions: "protected CDs" will cause decrease in sales ( and increase in piracy ) for the few obvious reasons:
1. Computer users will not buy "protected CDs" because they are useless for them;
2. Some (small amount, but few) people will just boycott these CDs;
3. Some "advanced users" will buy the CD, make a copy for themselves and for sharing and return "corrupted cd" back to the store and get full refund;
4. Real pirates (who made unlicensed copies by thousands in Bulgaria and China) will get a virtually "competition-free" market, where nobody legally offer "real CD" with the same content;
5. A lot of customers who care about their money more than about copyright laws will prefer to buy pirated CD, copy it or download the music instead of buying perfectly legal disk that will not play in the car audio or portable cd-player.
I think with all these 5 Sony will have to admit than sales of these protected CDs are noticeable less than they would be without protection.
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Alex
Anything that can go wrong will go wrong. - Murphy's law |
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hightdan
join:2002-04-21
North Sioux City, SD
| reply to careywb
Re: Hit 'em where it Hurts = how to stop this nonsense
I found this on www.sony.com
I think I will buy the CD and just start calling.
I don't own a CD player. Only have computers.
from www.sony.com
If you believe a Sony Music product has a manufacturing defect, please call our Quality Management Department at 800-255-7514 (609-722-8224 in New Jersey).
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dev hull
@hbocvan.com | reply to cprgolds
Re: Would It Really Do Any Good???
I am doing my part. I don't buy CDs at all after the Napster court case. If the RIAA wants to play hard ball, and not give any options to use the music you paid for in any other media, the RIAA can fight the court case with out MY music money. |
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bufbarnaby
join:2002-01-06
Riverside, CA
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| reply to careywb
Re: Hit 'em where it Hurts = how to stop this nonsense
said by careywb:
The way to stop this is to boycott new CD purchases. Just a few months of living without, and, bada bada, bing...end of copy protection.
I have found these so called copy-proof CD`s on Kazza and other file sharing networks and downloaded them!This just proves that the RIAA is losing the battle.All these copy protection schemes can be cracked,so to Hell with the RIAA! |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
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| reply to careywb
*Sigh*
quote:
I think with all these 5 Sony will have to admit than sales of these protected CDs are noticeable less than they would be without protection.
The problem is that if we try and "strike back" by boycotting CDs, it reduces their numbers. By reducing the numbers, they can complain that piracy has slowed CD sales thus justifying the protection. quote:
Some "advanced users" will buy the CD, make a copy for emselves and for sharing and return "corrupted cd" back to the store and get full refund"
In most stores you can't return opened software/audio, you can only exchange a defective disc. You could keep exchanging it and demand a refund when the nth replacement doesn't work, but that's a lot of effort to go through to prove a point and probably won't be done on a widespread enough basis to make a blip on the record label's radar.
Instead of buying CDs, check out XM radio or your digital cable's / satellite's music channels.
-- Rob |
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jcnnghm
join:2001-08-29
Severna Park, MD
| reply to careywb
Any audio that can be played can be duped into digital form and distributed online. There just isn't a way around it. If worst came to worst, someone would just use an analog to digital converter and rip it into mp3. I guess the next solution is to make it so you can't "hear" the music either. Why would you want to do that anyway? |
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methuselah1879
join:2001-03-06
Groton, CT
clubs: 
| Re: Hit 'em where it Hurts = how to stop this nons
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I guess the next solution is to make it so you can't "hear" the music either. Why would you want to do that anyway?
Absolutely! As a matter of fact, why don't we (record execs) make all music so that it falls in the 40 - 100 kHz band! Then, we can still sell CDs marketed as "avant-garde", since no-one will be able to hear them...ohhhh, how about a "white noise" CD? It's a whole new era! 
Peace
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If it's na' scottish...it's CRAP! |
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amoiseyev
Went For Beer
join:2000-11-14
Worcester, MA
| reply to djrobx
said by djrobx:
...it reduces their numbers. By reducing the numbers, they can complain that piracy has slowed CD sales thus justifying the protection.
Well, they obviously have numbers for each title. I meant that sales of protected CDs will be noticeable less than sales of similar unprotected CDs, so company will realize that they steal from their own pocket.
said by djrobx:
In most stores you can't return opened software/audio, you can only exchange a defective disc.
That's true for "normal" CDs. If these protected pieces of ... do not play on some CONVENTIONAL players the number of exchanges will be so big that most of the stores executives will refund them rather than exchange them several times, to avoid extra losses. There is a big difference between one isolated corrupted copy and whole "corrupted title".
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Alex
Anything that can go wrong will go wrong. - Murphy's law |
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TheWickerMan
join:2002-04-09
Enola, PA
| reply to methuselah1879
said by methuselah1879:
.ohhhh, how about a "white noise" CD? It's a whole new era!
Hey, why not? It would sound a lot better than most of the crap they've been putting out lately. |
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amoiseyev
Went For Beer
join:2000-11-14
Worcester, MA
| said by TheWickerMan:
Hey, why not? It would sound a lot better than most of the crap they've been putting out lately.
Let's add that the last fact is the real reason why music sales go down....
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Alex
Anything that can go wrong will go wrong. - Murphy's law |
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WallyThacker
The Central Scrutinizer
join:2002-02-12
Canada | reply to TheWickerMan
When Sony gets their way....
They'll sell blank Cds labelled "Not for any use" and still want $20. |
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ShowsThem
@pacbell.n | reply to careywb
Re: Hit 'em where it Hurts = how to stop this nonsense
Boycott it....download it and pass it on, buy extra CD-R's and give everyone you know a copy!  People with a copy don't buy a copy! |
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vampyre10
join:2002-05-18
Albany, NY |  reply to WallyThacker
Re: Hit 'em where it Hurts = how to stop this nons
HAHAHAH LOL
ROFL
LMFAO
That's funny as hell. |
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g0nepostal
I Am The One Her Mom Warned Her About
join:2001-03-23
Concord, CA
clubs:
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| reply to careywb
Don't just boycott CDs
Boycott all Sony products! Don't buy any more Sony audio/video equipment, any more Sony music, any more Columbia Pictures DVD movies (they are a unit of Sony), or any more PlayStation units.
I haven't bought a CD in years, and now I am making sure to not buy any more DVDs from Columbia. I talked my brother into buying an XBox instead of a PlayStation 2 just to deny Sony more money.
Granted, the XBox is from the Evil Empire, but Halo kicks ass.
If more people decide to not bother to buy anything made by Sony - not just their CDs - then the impact will really be felt back in Japan.
g0nepostal |
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Yowzaaah
Ours Go To Eleven
join:2000-12-14
DamnFlat, OH
clubs:
| I've done just that. My whole audio rack (CD changer, Tuner, Tape player), TV and VCR are Sony. I was looking for a DVD player and was eyeing the Sonys.(I've received a bunch of DVDs as presents and my kids got a couple of Disney DVDs for their birthday).
Last week I went down to wallmart and bought a cheapy, made in China, Venturer DVD player with Dolby 5.1 surround system ($210 for the whole rig). The first thing I did, before even playing a test DVD is disable Macrovision and Region protection through a hidden menu. (Can't do that on a Sony product). I've made tapes of the Disney DVDs for the kids to watch/pull the tape out of while the "Master" DVD copy sits in the media cabinet above their reach.
Everybody's happy - except Sony which won't get another $ from me.
Now the only problem is the silver DVD player in a rack of black hardware.....Hmmmm, maybe spray paint. |
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paradigmshifter
@nespower.com | reply to methuselah1879
Re: Hit 'em where it Hurts = how to stop this nons
do i detect a pointy haired manager somewhere in our midst? |
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methuselah1879
join:2001-03-06
Groton, CT
clubs:
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do i detect a pointy haired manager somewhere in our midst?
nah! i just want to leverage our existing infrastructure, so that we might globalize our community-oriented assets and maximize the potential for cross-developmental utilization of the corporate paradigm....
Peace
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