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whiteyonenh

join:2004-08-09
Keene, NH

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reply to Jason Levine

Re: Things that make you go hmmmmm...

said by Jason Levine:

Third option: Legitimate copy that is ripped and put on a home server. You get the advantages of the pirated copy without actually pirating. Of course, ripping is technically illegal, but I can't see the MPAA building a case around "John Doe ripped these DVDs that he bought and then shared them with his wife and kids!!!"

Sure, I suppose, but forcing me to break the law (ripping/breaking encryption) so I can use my PURCHASED media the way I want to use it for MY PERSONAL USE, is ridiculous. If it's breaking the law anyways, may as well pirate.

Still goes back to not providing a way to purchase media without artificial restrictions because some corporate bigwig wants you to purchase 5-10 different versions for all your devices, and still being forced to watch unskippable/annoying anti-piracy warnings.

Give me a way to get the same pretty box, without the restrictions, and I may purchase it, even if it were for example $10-15 more. But given the history of most corporations, I doubt that would happen, they'd trial a $100 version next to the $20 new release, and very few would purchase it, and they'd be like "Consumers aren't interested in this, guess we're not going to sell it then." Consumers aren't interested because the price is completely unrealistic and they feel that they're being ripped-off, not because they're not interested in a product such as this.


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said by whiteyonenh:

Sure, I suppose, but forcing me to break the law (ripping/breaking encryption) so I can use my PURCHASED media the way I want to use it for MY PERSONAL USE, is ridiculous. If it's breaking the law anyways, may as well pirate.

There is one difference between the 2 methods above. Ripping your own copy makes the chance of getting caught virtually zero and a sure loser in a lawsuit by MPAA. Downloading a pirated copy and getting caught(small chance, but still there) can make your life a hell for a long time.

whiteyonenh

join:2004-08-09
Keene, NH

said by Linklist:

said by whiteyonenh:

Sure, I suppose, but forcing me to break the law (ripping/breaking encryption) so I can use my PURCHASED media the way I want to use it for MY PERSONAL USE, is ridiculous. If it's breaking the law anyways, may as well pirate.

There is one difference between the 2 methods above. Ripping your own copy makes the chance of getting caught virtually zero and a sure loser in a lawsuit by MPAA. Downloading a pirated copy and getting caught(small chance, but still there) can make your life a hell for a long time.

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me1212

join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO

reply to whiteyonenh
Since when is ripping it against the law? I know Canada has that law but I didn't know the US did too.


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In theory its illegal in the US because of the DMCA, but since the DMCA is not a real law rip away. It is not even morally wrong to rip DVDs and BDs that you own.
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Jason Levine
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join:2001-07-13
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reply to me1212
Basically, it's illegal to create and distribute tools that break encryption. So it's technically legal for you to rip your DVDs, but people aren't allowed to create the programs that you'd need to use to break the encryption on the DVDs so you could rip them. Not sure if possessing such a tool is considered illegal as well.

Of course, as fAcEtIOUs pointed out above, there's a big difference between ripping your own DVDs (technically illegal but virtually no chance of being sued much less of the MPAA winning a "he ripped his own DVDs and didn't distribute them" lawsuit) and downloading pirated copies (definitely illegal and definite possibility of being sued and facing big fines).
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me1212

join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO

Oh, so thats why they took the encryption breaking stuff out of handbreak right? However if I recall correctly there is a library included with vlc(and I think MPC-HC) that makes it so if both handbreak and vlc/mpc-hc are on the same computer it can remove the encryption.



Jason Levine
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USA

I've actually been using a freeware program that I downloaded from SnapFiles.com to "make MKV" files out of my DVDs. It's handled every DVD I've thrown at it so far (and I purposefully started with newer DVDs that might be more troublesome). Once I get enough ripped, I'm going to set up some kind of media server to stream to our living room. Or maybe put them on an external HDD and use a box of some kind to play them. (I'm not going to directly link to the program, even though I trust SnapFiles. However, it shouldn't be hard to find it given this reply.)
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arahman56

join:2011-08-11
Etobicoke, ON

reply to me1212
The new Copyright law would make it illegal to use tools to break digital encryption. Fuck the Cons, and their money shills.


Rekrul

join:2007-04-21
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said by me1212:

Oh, so thats why they took the encryption breaking stuff out of handbreak right?

Yes. It would be like the government knowing that they can't outright ban hunting, so instead they outlaw all weapons.

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