 BigBlarg
join:2008-02-10
Longueuil, QC
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Re: [Rant] Ipods are Garbage I can only agree with you.
My girlfriend's laptop died a few months ago. It took us a while before being able to get her iPhone to work fine with iTunes on the new laptop.
At first it didn't want to synchronize... then, when we thought we finally got it worked, all the stuff on her iPhone got deleted. After a few more tries, we finally got the iPhone to sync properly, but she had to redownload most of her albums.
After seeing how much more simple it is on my Nexus S, she said she will change to an Android phone once her 3 year contract is over. |
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davePremium,MVM
join:2000-05-04
not in ohio
kudos:8 | Most of that isn't actually the fault of the iPod/iPhone, it's the fault of the iTunes program (to which the iPod is tied, which I suppose is the fault of the iPod). I agree that it's annoying, but that's the Jobs control-freak world-view. Nice device, shame about the ecosystem.
I think you don't in fact need to log in. I do not possess an iTunes store account, yet I am able to use the iTunes app to store music on my iPhone. Perhaps the UI just tries very hard to make you assume you need to do that.
FWIW, the master copy of everything is assumed to live with iTunes and you're simply syncing to the iThing. Note that 'sync' does not only mean copy... it carries the implication of making the iThing look like the iTunes library, and not the converse. There may be an option to prevent that, but I'm not so sure; I don't often use my iPhone as a music device. (On the other hand, somehow I'm aware of the sync behaviour, so I must have read in in iTunes somewhere) |
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 r81984Fair and BalancedPremium
join:2001-11-14
Katy, TX
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| Itunes makes no sense. You should just be able to connect it your computer and drag and drop files to the drive like any flash memory, every other media player does this.
Using a program to communicate to your device to copy files is really old school like in the days of having to use com ports and dos.
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davePremium,MVM
join:2000-05-04
not in ohio
kudos:8 | Not that I'm trying to defend Apple, but they apparently aim to be more than that. The focus is not on 'the device' but media library management. Sure, if all you want is an untethered device, it's a poor fit, but that's not what they're making.
I'd say the notion that you treat a music-playing device like a stupid file device rather than part of an integrated system is the 'old school' approach. My complaint is more that I can't manage the iThing with Windows Media Player. |
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TheMGPremium
join:2007-09-04
Canada
kudos:1 | said by dave:I'd say the notion that you treat a music-playing device like a stupid file device rather than part of an integrated system is the 'old school' approach.
Ideally they should give the user the choice of what method the user wants to use to put data onto the device.
Personally I'm sick and tired of portable devices that require proprietary software and don't have an option for USB Mass Storage (whereby the device behaves like a simple flash drive when connected to a computer).
Sometimes there are situations where you just want to quickly drop a couple files onto a device from a computer that does not have the proprietary software installed.
Unfortunately it's not only Apple that is doing it.
Generally speaking with most consumer technological devices, the more technology progresses the less control we have over the devices we own. Sad but true. |
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r81984Fair and BalancedPremium
join:2001-11-14
Katy, TX Reviews:
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said by dave:Not that I'm trying to defend Apple, but they apparently aim to be more than that. The focus is not on 'the device' but media library management. Sure, if all you want is an untethered device, it's a poor fit, but that's not what they're making.
I'd say the notion that you treat a music-playing device like a stupid file device rather than part of an integrated system is the 'old school' approach. My complaint is more that I can't manage the iThing with Windows Media Player.
Any media player or any computer is "stupid" file device with the device having software on it to play the files. You copy files to it easily and play them with the software.
The ipod not being a "stupid" file device but instead using proprietary file transfer software which is like I said very old school not revolutionary technology.
Before USB there were not file transfer standards or plug and play devices, you would need unique software and drivers for your portable device to copy files to it. The Ipod is old school instead of plug and play using generic file transfer standards to work on any computer.
As for music management, every other media player works as a generic file transfer or with software like itunes if you want to organize your library inside a program.
This way you can plug your device onto any computer and copy files/music in seconds even without an internet connection or you can choose to use music management software if you want.
I dont have any apple products, but it pisses me off when someone wants me to copy some songs or setup something on their ipod and then you have to jump through itunes hoops and itunes just gives you errors instead of working so you cant do what the person needing help needs.
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 HallPremium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
kudos:2 | said by r81984:...but it pisses me off when someone wants me to copy some songs or setup something on their ipod and then you have to jump through itunes hoops and itunes just gives you errors instead of working so you cant do what the person needing help needs. Pisses you off ? What happens when real life issues come up ?
Tell them, "No, I can't. Ipods need to use iTunes and I don't have that." |
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r81984Fair and BalancedPremium
join:2001-11-14
Katy, TX | Real life issues are manageable, but certainly can be frustrating.
Ipods just dont work which pisses me off especially when someone tells you what they paid for the non working device.
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HallPremium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
kudos:2 | said by r81984: Ipods just dont work... Classic statement |
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said by r81984:Ipods just dont work which pisses me off especially when someone tells you what they paid for the non working device.
My Classic (purchased in December 2008) tumbled off the roof of my car at ~45 mp/h eight months ago. The Marware silicone case is torn on a corner, and the same corner of the device is slightly chewed up.
It works... >_> |
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 J E F FWhatta Ya Think About Dat?Premium
join:2004-04-01
Kitchener, ON
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said by r81984:Itunes makes no sense. You should just be able to connect it your computer and drag and drop files to the drive like any flash memory, every other media player does this.
Using a program to communicate to your device to copy files is really old school like in the days of having to use com ports and dos.
Apple allows all iDevices to be used as disk mode. You simply check Enabled Disk Usage, or something like that, the first time you plug it in. This is needed for our Linux users.
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HallPremium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
kudos:2 | said by J E F F: Apple allows all iDevices to be used as disk mode. You simply check Enabled Disk Usage, or something like that, the first time you plug it in. This is needed for our Linux users.
I don't think that is true for iPod Touch devices. |
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said by BigBlarg:After seeing how much more simple it is on my Nexus S, she said she will change to an Android phone once her 3 year contract is over.
Having come from the Mess that is Android I'll pass and am glad to be on an iPhone. Worked great if you were tied to Google but I'm not and the experience was mediocre at best and frustrating at worst.
No thanks, she'll most likely be back after that contract is up. |
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r81984Fair and BalancedPremium
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| said by itguy05:said by BigBlarg:After seeing how much more simple it is on my Nexus S, she said she will change to an Android phone once her 3 year contract is over.
Having come from the Mess that is Android I'll pass and am glad to be on an iPhone. Worked great if you were tied to Google but I'm not and the experience was mediocre at best and frustrating at worst. No thanks, she'll most likely be back after that contract is up. Gee I guess ITguy does not understand how something works. Don't blame google because you dont know how to use the device.
I have a generic china phone with dual sim cards for $75 that runs android. It works perfectly with wifi only.
I dont understand your mess comment.
It has more utility than IOS products.
You sound like you have some kind of bias to apple products.
I have used android, hp touchpad, and IOS.
IOS = requires extra software on a computer to connect and limits the number of computers
Android = can transfer files over USB to any computer
HP = Can transfer files over USB to any computer
Besides that they all have the exact same features and accessories.
The main thing after transfering files is software/utility.
HP touch pad is limited in software
Andrioid and IOS have basically the same offerings.
For tablets based on connectivity (transfer files)
1. Android (usb only transfer)/HP touchpad (usb only transfer)
2. Win7 laptop/tablet PC (file sharing wifi/bluetooth/usb transfer cable)
3. IOS (USB with installed software transfer)
For tablets based on utility (most software) the winner is:
1. Win7 laptop/tablet PC (like tm2t)
2. Android/IOS
3. HP touchpad
For tablets based on price:
1. HP touchpad (firesale)
2. Android
3. A regular win7 laptop/tablet PC (like tm2t)
4. IOS
The overall winner for a tablet based on utility and price is:
1. Android
2. A regular win7 laptop/tablet pc (like the tm2t)
3. HP touchpad
4. IOS
I dont see how anyone can argue with this.
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 Subaru1-3-2-4Premium
join:2001-05-31
Greenwich, CT | reply to dave
said by dave:Nice device, shame about the ecosystem.
Not sure why this does not come up more often.. I'm not a ecofreak but with Apple's short product cycles i.e. Iphone where are all the old phones going? They make it almost impossible to open. |
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| said by Subaru:Not sure why this does not come up more often.. I'm not a ecofreak but with Apple's short product cycles i.e. Iphone where are all the old phones going? They make it almost impossible to open.
Huh? Just because they release a new one doesn't mean the old one stops working. Heck, a coworker is still using my old iPhone 3G I sold him when I got a Droid X. And it will still be supported with the latest OS for a while.
I got my Droid X on launch day in 2010. Came with Eclair (Android 2.1). Got an upgrade to Froyo and one to Gingerbread (2.3) in 2011. That's it, done. The GB upgrade sucks and pretty much ruined the phone. It's slow, unreliable (likes to reboot whenever), and just generally sucky.
If you bought an iPhone 4 in 2010, you would be able to upgrade to iOS 6 this fall. Heck, if you bought a 3GS now (a phone from 2009) you could get iOS 6 in the fall.
That's decent life IMHO. |
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said by r81984:Gee I guess ITguy does not understand how something works. Don't blame google because you dont know how to use the device.
Guess a phone that reboots (Droid X) when listening to Podcasts is my fault? Guess when it sits there and reboots on its own its my fault too? Guess a phone that requires 2 tries to make a bluetooth call from the car is my fault? Guess a phone that is slow as shit after a while is my fault too? quote:
I dont understand your mess comment.
It doesn't integrate well. About the only thing it integrates with is Google. I don't want to spend an hour getting music and data on the phone. Much easier to plug in a cable and let it do the work. Music was a mess on my Driod X. I installed the new "Music player" and ended up with 2 apps, 1 with the Google cloud support and 1 without. WTF - it should have replaced the stock app. USB Charge vs USB Mass Storage - a headache for those of us that listened to music. quote:
It has more utility than IOS products.
Doubtful. I can get more accessories and cool things for my iPhone than any Android. quote:
The main thing after transfering files is software/utility.
Don't get this fascination with transferring files? About the only thing iOS has to learn is file syncing. They have the music and videos down well. I have all my stuff in iTunes (saves me from managing it) and have the checkbox "Fill unused space with music" set on my iPhone set. Whenever I sync it will switch up the music. Works great and would be a nightmare to implement with Android (I tried with iSyncr but gave up after 10-30 minute sync times). Sorry, I just don't get how Android is better in every respect. I've been there, I wanted to embrace it in 2010. But I've got the battle scars from that experience. |
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Subaru1-3-2-4Premium
join:2001-05-31
Greenwich, CT | reply to itguy05
You missed the point.. it's not about it not working it's about over-saturation.. the whole thing with apple if say your itouch stops working or it has an issue they can't fix they just give you another.
Opening a macbook is no fun trying to get to the screen :-/ |
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 PaoloMr. Wireless
join:2004-05-29
canada | i really wish i could copy my files to the ipod without using god damned i tunes they make it so difficult.
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 redxiiPremium,Mod
join:2001-02-26
Sherwood, MI | reply to itguy05
All I had to do is plug it in and copy the music over. The music player picked them automatically. Wasn't that difficult.
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