 fuziwuziNot born yesterdayPremium
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Atlanta, GA | reply to Dumaine
Re: [Caps] Caps totally confuse Me!! To me it seems the reason for getting a higher speed is to take advantage of all the wonderful content that can stream to your home. However, if you use that higher speed to stream all that wonderful content, you'll get your service shut off permanently. So, what's the point? Why bother having higher speeds if you have to chain it down? Likewise, why buy a Ferrari to drive to work when you're limited to the same speed as the Prius your neighbor has? Not logical.
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| said by fuziwuzi:To me it seems the reason for getting a higher speed is to take advantage of all the wonderful content that can stream to your home. That is your decision. Based on what the vast majority of what people say on dslreports though, most people want higher speeds to get the same amount of data transfer done in a faster time.
However, if you use that higher speed to stream all that wonderful content, you'll get your service shut off permanently.
-You can stream 250GB (and much more, most people who go over 250GB never hear a peep from Comcast)
-Permanently? nope. Some people who go way over 250GB get a warning call, then if they do it again within 12 months they get shut off for one year, NOT permanently.
So, what's the point? Why bother having higher speeds if you have to chain it down? Likewise, why buy a Ferrari to drive to work when you're limited to the same speed as the Prius your neighbor has? Not logical.
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said by fuziwuzi: Likewise, why buy a Ferrari to drive to work when you're limited to the same speed as the Prius your neighbor has? Not logical.
Perhaps so one can have bragging rights ? |
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AVonGaussPremium
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Boynton Beach, FL | reply to fuziwuzi
said by fuziwuzi:To me it seems the reason for getting a higher speed is to take advantage of all the wonderful content that can stream to your home. However, if you use that higher speed to stream all that wonderful content, you'll get your service shut off permanently. So, what's the point? Why bother having higher speeds if you have to chain it down? Likewise, why buy a Ferrari to drive to work when you're limited to the same speed as the Prius your neighbor has? Not logical.
If your connection speed was too slow, say 1.5 Mbps that might discourage you from watching online content due to the amount of time required to buffer prior to playing. However, once the speed crosses a threshold (probably about 6 Mbps) speed no longer factors in to how much content you want to watch as it no longer limits you. Households with multiple people might require a bit more, but I would imagine 12 Mbps is probably sufficient to handle most streaming needs. Remember, streaming only requires as much bandwidth as required to keep the stream active and responsive.
Now, where speed does factor in a lot is when you want to download or upload large amounts of data. While not the most optimal for a residential user, you do have a choice with Comcast, upgrade to their business class service and they won't bother you most likely until you go past several TBs. Of course, I assume all this transfer is for legitimate and legal content.
You can put a significant dent in the 250 GB threshold just by watching NetFlix, but considering your Ferrari analogy, I really doubt we're truly talking about NetFlix streaming. |
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said by fuziwuzi:To me it seems the reason for getting a higher speed is to take advantage of all the wonderful content that can stream to your home. However, if you use that higher speed to stream all that wonderful content, you'll get your service shut off permanently. So, what's the point? Why bother having higher speeds if you have to chain it down? Likewise, why buy a Ferrari to drive to work when you're limited to the same speed as the Prius your neighbor has? Not logical.
I have to agree with Ted Sheckler on his analysis. Just because you get a faster connection doesn't mean that you will consume more data. Take my usage for example. I average under 200gb per month and I have the blast tier. I have that tier because I like downloading things fast. Its worth it to me to pay a little more for that. That doesn't mean I like having my connection going fast all the time.
Oh, and the car analogies do work in this case.
If you are driving on a racetrack, and you want to get from point A to point B faster, do you buy the Prius or the Ferrari? Oh, and part of the deal is that you are only going from point A to point B. Just because you have a Ferrari doesn't mean you are going to drive more. Just that you are going to get where you want to go faster than you normally would.
I really wish people would stop equating a faster line to eating more data. That just isn't the way it works.
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| said by Nightfall:I really wish people would stop equating a faster line to eating more data. That just isn't the way it works.
of course it isn't how it works. and your analogy isn't how it works either.
Some will use more and some will use the same. but overall the aggregate usage of all users will go up. over time, "users" use more data. What "users" use their internet connection for today is not what they will use it for a year from now or 5 or 10 years from now. Caps just show how poor the state of affairs for internet access actually is in this country and countries with them. ISPs that have them and never adjust them want to fend off the users that want to use the internet for more than just checking email and looking at kitten pictures. There is no reason why a users shouldn't be able to leave a streaming 1080p webcam of downtown Beijing open on their desktop 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
Mark my words, the ISPs that make stuff like this happen without caps are the ones that will survive the next couple decades. |
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| Yes you are correct OVER TIME ordinary peoples consumption will rise... however if you look at the "CAP" threads here, there are those that brag/enjoy using as much as the can, even if they have to delete to make space.
Those are the ones that NO isp desires at any price, those that use only what they need and are willing to pay a reasonable cost, are welcome almost anywhere, once the ISP has an idea of your standard/normal usage and the expected time frame that you will be a paying user, they can provide a quote.
There are a lot of reasons that most ISP's can't/don't want to serve the "I just check email" (and then download 200 TB) group.
I doubt any BUSINESS trained person will assume those that profess to pirate, as good longterm clients. |
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fuziwuziNot born yesterdayPremium
join:2005-07-01
Atlanta, GA | reply to C_Chipperson
One year may as well be permanently when it is your only choice for broadband internet. I haven't said a *^&% thing about analogies.
Again, what large files would a home user be transferring that requires 25 or 50Mbps service other than streaming video? (I'm talking LEGAL stuff). Other than just having bragging rights in the neighborhood (like having the Ferrari you can only legally drive the same speed as the Prius), there is simply no logical reason to have the extreme speeds other than the vast amounts of streaming content that is now available. Why shouldn't I and other members of the family be able to stream Netflix movies every night, simultaneously if we have the bandwidth to do it? Why can't we stream Pandora all day long every day? Because no matter if you have the basic 12Mbps service with one TV or the extreme 50Mbps service and 3 TVs, if you watch that much streaming content you get cut off just the same.
So, again, it simply isn't logical. If fools want to spend $100 a month on broadband they don't really need, more power to them.
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fuziwuziNot born yesterdayPremium
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Atlanta, GA | reply to Nightfall
said by Nightfall:If you are driving on a racetrack, and you want to get from point A to point B faster, do you buy the Prius or the Ferrari? Oh, and part of the deal is that you are only going from point A to point B. Just because you have a Ferrari doesn't mean you are going to drive more. Just that you are going to get where you want to go faster than you normally would.
I really wish people would stop equating a faster line to eating more data. That just isn't the way it works.
But you're not on a racetrack, the Ferrari and the Prius are both on the same overcrowded road (the cap) and neither is faster than the other. The 50Mbps service has the same 250GB cap as the basic 12Mbps service. For a home user really the only logical use for the 50Mbps service would be streaming lots of online content (please tell me what average home user is transmitting terabyte databases that require that much speed?). When I showed one friend, who is disabled, how easy it was to watch Netflix and Hulu using his new WDTV box, he was overjoyed. However, a couple of weeks later he was not so overjoyed when Comcast suspended his cable for "overuse". After a few phone calls they restored his service, but now he is afraid to use it. Now, instead of enjoying his love of old movies as he sits there in his chair day-in-day-out, he limits himself to watching one movie a week because he fears having his only lifeline to the outside world disconnected.
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AVonGaussPremium
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You still seem to be confusing speed vs quantity. Let's forget the car analogy and pick on popcorn. I don't need a microwave to make popcorn, I could use the stove - it is just going to take a bit longer (and probably taste better, but that's not relevant). Just because the microwave makes the popcorn faster, that does not mean I'm going to want more popcorn.
... and just to be clear, this isn't even a defense of a "cap" or really a threshold, but rather a disagreement that more speed intrinsically means more consumption - often represented as a linear increase. |
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said by fuziwuzi:When I showed one friend, who is disabled, how easy it was to watch Netflix and Hulu using his new WDTV box, he was overjoyed. However, a couple of weeks later he was not so overjoyed when Comcast suspended his cable for "overuse". After a few phone calls they restored his service, but now he is afraid to use it. Now, instead of enjoying his love of old movies as he sits there in his chair day-in-day-out, he limits himself to watching one movie a week because he fears having his only lifeline to the outside world disconnected.
So, why not also show your friend Comcast business class which has a much higher limit and at the lower tier is not much difference in price? I realize this is not a common situation, but I do think its worth point out you could watch 2 average length NetFlix "HD" movies per day and still have quite a bit of breathing room before crossing the threshold. |
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fuziwuziNot born yesterdayPremium
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said by AVonGauss:You still seem to be confusing speed vs quantity. Let's forget the car analogy and pick on popcorn. I don't need a microwave to make popcorn, I could use the stove - it is just going to take a bit longer (and probably taste better, but that's not relevant). Just because the microwave makes the popcorn faster, that does not mean I'm going to want more popcorn.
... and just to be clear, this isn't even a defense of a "cap" or really a threshold, but rather a disagreement that more speed intrinsically means more consumption - often represented as a linear increase.
What possible use to a HOME USER is 50Mbps service if not for multiple streams of online content? But using those multiple streams of online content will get you capped. So, then, the 50Mbps service, for the average HOME USER, is pointless and illogical except for bragging rights.
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fuziwuziNot born yesterdayPremium
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said by AVonGauss:said by fuziwuzi:When I showed one friend, who is disabled, how easy it was to watch Netflix and Hulu using his new WDTV box, he was overjoyed. However, a couple of weeks later he was not so overjoyed when Comcast suspended his cable for "overuse". After a few phone calls they restored his service, but now he is afraid to use it. Now, instead of enjoying his love of old movies as he sits there in his chair day-in-day-out, he limits himself to watching one movie a week because he fears having his only lifeline to the outside world disconnected.
So, why not also show your friend Comcast business class which has a much higher limit and at the lower tier is not much difference in price? I realize this is not a common situation, but I do think its worth point out you could watch 2 average length NetFlix "HD" movies per day and still have quite a bit of breathing room before crossing the threshold. Not much difference in price?????? Wow, talk about your elite but completely clueless statements! Last I checked, the cheapest "business class" from Comcast was about $150 per month. That is significantly more than the $45 per month my friend pays for internet service, out of his $850 per month disability income. Have you lived on $850 per month? Could you live on $850 per month and pay for a business class broadband account? And no, he's not a "leach on society", he is a victim of a form of ALS (think Steven Hawking, but not as severe, yet).
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said by fuziwuzi:What possible use to a HOME USER is 50Mbps service if not for multiple streams of online content? But using those multiple streams of online content will get you capped. So, then, the 50Mbps service, for the average HOME USER, is pointless and illogical except for bragging rights.
It has been explained to you, many times, you seem to not be understanding. |
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said by fuziwuzi:Not much difference in price?????? Wow, talk about your elite but completely clueless statements! Last I checked, the cheapest "business class" from Comcast was about $150 per month. That is significantly more than the $45 per month my friend pays for internet service, out of his $850 per month disability income. Have you lived on $850 per month? Could you live on $850 per month and pay for a business class broadband account? And no, he's not a "leach on society", he is a victim of a form of ALS (think Steven Hawking, but not as severe, yet).
If you spent a little less time blindly ranting and a bit more time listening or even doing a bit of homework yourself, you would know the 12/2 business tier is around $59.95 (plus, $5 modem rental) per month. The price might vary a bit by market.
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said by fuziwuzi:Not much difference in price?????? Wow, talk about your elite but completely clueless statements! Last I checked, the cheapest "business class" from Comcast was about $150 per month. That is significantly more than the $45 per month my friend pays for internet service, out of his $850 per month disability income. Have you lived on $850 per month? Could you live on $850 per month and pay for a business class broadband account? And no, he's not a "leach on society", he is a victim of a form of ALS (think Steven Hawking, but not as severe, yet).
do a side by side price comparison with your residential packages...
in the memphis market....
Residential Plans
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1.5/384 - Economy - 41.95
6/1 - Perf. Starter - 49.95
12/2 - Performance - 59.95
15/2 - Performance 6 month promo [new subs only] - 29.99 / 44.99 thereafter - I don't get this, but it's irrelevant to me...
16/2 - Blast - 69.95
105/10 - Extreme - 199.95
Business Plans
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12/2 - Starter - 59.95
22/5 - Premium - 99.95
50/10 - Deluxe - 189.95
100/10 - Deluxe 100 - 369.95
would you choose 12/2 from residential or 12/2 from business?
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said by fuziwuzi:said by AVonGauss:said by fuziwuzi:When I showed one friend, who is disabled, how easy it was to watch Netflix and Hulu using his new WDTV box, he was overjoyed. However, a couple of weeks later he was not so overjoyed when Comcast suspended his cable for "overuse". After a few phone calls they restored his service, but now he is afraid to use it. Now, instead of enjoying his love of old movies as he sits there in his chair day-in-day-out, he limits himself to watching one movie a week because he fears having his only lifeline to the outside world disconnected.
So, why not also show your friend Comcast business class which has a much higher limit and at the lower tier is not much difference in price? I realize this is not a common situation, but I do think its worth point out you could watch 2 average length NetFlix "HD" movies per day and still have quite a bit of breathing room before crossing the threshold. Not much difference in price?????? Wow, talk about your elite but completely clueless statements! Last I checked, the cheapest "business class" from Comcast was about $150 per month. That is significantly more than the $45 per month my friend pays for internet service, out of his $850 per month disability income. Have you lived on $850 per month? Could you live on $850 per month and pay for a business class broadband account? And no, he's not a "leach on society", he is a victim of a form of ALS (think Steven Hawking, but not as severe, yet). I'm going to be blunt - nobody cares. If your "friend" who happens to be disabled (completely irrelevant to this thread by the way) can't afford $60 a month business class to avoid the cap, then he/she needs to stay under the cap if he/she is worried.
Don't judge people based on what they can/can't live on per month.
Also, if your "friend" has a fixed $850 a month income, then they shouldn't be sharing their income (internet) with anyone else, so then there's no problem staying under 250 GB by your logic... |
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said by fuziwuzi:said by Nightfall:If you are driving on a racetrack, and you want to get from point A to point B faster, do you buy the Prius or the Ferrari? Oh, and part of the deal is that you are only going from point A to point B. Just because you have a Ferrari doesn't mean you are going to drive more. Just that you are going to get where you want to go faster than you normally would.
I really wish people would stop equating a faster line to eating more data. That just isn't the way it works.
But you're not on a racetrack, the Ferrari and the Prius are both on the same overcrowded road (the cap) and neither is faster than the other. The 50Mbps service has the same 250GB cap as the basic 12Mbps service. For a home user really the only logical use for the 50Mbps service would be streaming lots of online content (please tell me what average home user is transmitting terabyte databases that require that much speed?). When I showed one friend, who is disabled, how easy it was to watch Netflix and Hulu using his new WDTV box, he was overjoyed. However, a couple of weeks later he was not so overjoyed when Comcast suspended his cable for "overuse". After a few phone calls they restored his service, but now he is afraid to use it. Now, instead of enjoying his love of old movies as he sits there in his chair day-in-day-out, he limits himself to watching one movie a week because he fears having his only lifeline to the outside world disconnected. How can you say a Ferrari isn't as fast as a Prius? I just downloaded a 2gb steam game yesterday and it took me 8 hours. I did it in the morning so when I got home, I was ready to play. On a standard 12 meg basic connection, it would have taken at least 2x more to get that same game. Yes, the distance is the same, but if I am only going from point A to point B, a faster connection wins every time.
Comcast doesn't suspend service after a few weeks. They may after a month, but I even know customers who stream data from Netflix and Pandora all the time and never hit the 250gb limit.
Also, you show your friend Comcast's meter to see where he stands in relation to the cap. You also show your friend Comcast business class, where it is only $10 a month more (in my area) and you have no caps on service.
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