 BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | enjoy the 5 GB cap and $50 per GB overage fees Until Verizon offers internet with REASONABLE caps and REASONABLE overage fees( or none at all ) then this means NOTHING. |
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elray
join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA | said by BF69:Until Verizon offers internet with REASONABLE caps and REASONABLE overage fees( or none at all ) then this means NOTHING. Those caps and fees ARE reasonable for VZW's 3G internet. No one makes you pay them.
If there is a more price-competitive technology to deploy, then another vendor will step up and offer it, undercutting VZW. |
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 tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1 | reply to BF69
Verizon can't afford to offer LTE home internet services except for in the most rural areas. They simply don't have the spectrum to support that many heavy users. |
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BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to elray
said by elray:said by BF69:Until Verizon offers internet with REASONABLE caps and REASONABLE overage fees( or none at all ) then this means NOTHING. Those caps and fees ARE reasonable for VZW's 3G internet. No one makes you pay them. If there is a more price-competitive technology to deploy, then another vendor will step up and offer it, undercutting VZW. Sigh... another "big company should be able to fuck you over" apologist. |
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tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
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Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1 | has nothing to do with apologism. Has everything to do with physics, supply and demand, and profit maximization while retaining customer loyalty.
Verizon's fees suck, but that's the price of having the largest network. It costs money to maintain and update.
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BF69Premium
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Camden, TN | said by tiger72:has nothing to do with apologism. Has everything to do with physics, supply and demand, and profit maximization while retaining customer loyalty. Verizon's fees suck, but that's the price of having the largest network. It costs money to maintain and update. Yes it does. LTE was SUPPOSED to help with congestion. Veriozn got a TON of bandwidth when they got all those former TV frequencies are even asking for even MORE. So ZERO excuse. If they are that incompetent get out of the mobile busines and let someone who can actually run a network do so.
Nuff said. Any point you make won't make me change my mind. So post a reply and be ignored. Waste as much of your vaulable time as you wish. |
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| said by BF69:If they are that incompetent get out of the mobile busines and let someone who can actually run a network do so. Nuff said. Any point you make won't make me change my mind. So post a reply and be ignored. Waste as much of your vaulable time as you wish. Uh, right. VZ Wireless is incompetent. You sound like such a fool. VZW is the 2nd-largest wireless company in the US and has the lowest churn in the industry and (I believe) one of the highest margins. Sounds like most customers like them, and are willing to pay for the service. One thing they CAN do is manage a wireless network competently.
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largest network? LMAO! yah good one! they're network is like Sprint's and every other carrier. zoom in on that map and see how many of their "Covered" areas are roaming on Sprint or Alltel. Check to see how much actually belonged to Alltel (the part they took). VZ is just an over priced company and it shows they're operated/owned by telco that's bleeding money off their landline business due to the high prices.
And their fees suck because of that network being large? LMAO! yah like i said; they gotta be able to support that dying copper network.
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customers don't keep them because they're happy with them. It's the fact that so many people have family plans and it's a bitch to move; plus people sign up with the carriers where their family and friends are at for M2M. That's the whole issue with M2M and why Sprint killed it.
And actually VZW is the largest wireless provider in the country in terms of customers. They went past T when they took Alltel. And highest margins? Yah thats because they're over priced. Oh and ya, people are just stupid for paying what VZ charges when they can get it cheaper from other carriers like Sprint (who has their CSRs and Tech Support and BILLING in the United States) or TMO who has their support based in the USA as well.
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 old_dawg"I Know Noting..."
join:2001-09-22
Westminster, MD | said by hottboiinnc: carriers like Sprint (who has their CSRs and Tech Support and BILLING in the United States) But let their network get managed in INDIA !
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tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
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said by BF69:said by tiger72:has nothing to do with apologism. Has everything to do with physics, supply and demand, and profit maximization while retaining customer loyalty. Verizon's fees suck, but that's the price of having the largest network. It costs money to maintain and update. Yes it does. LTE was SUPPOSED to help with congestion. Veriozn got a TON of bandwidth when they got all those former TV frequencies are even asking for even MORE. So ZERO excuse. If they are that incompetent get out of the mobile busines and let someone who can actually run a network do so. Nuff said. Any point you make won't make me change my mind. So post a reply and be ignored. Waste as much of your vaulable time as you wish. Yawn.
The fact that you don't understand a single thing about the wireless industry is obvious. Otherwise you'd understand why Clear can do things that Verizon, T-Mobile, and ATT won't ever be able to do. At least not with their current amount of spectrum.
If you think that Verizon can offer limitless bandwidth over the air on a 10mhz piece of spectrum (or even 20mhz or 30mhz), then you either need to go back to science class, or you deserve a nobel prize for actually defying physics.
I'm amazed that I'm even defending Verizon here. My disdain for that company is quite extensive in my post history, and I have Sprint and TMO instead for a reason.
But this has nothing to do with Verizon's ineptitude and opportunism. It has everything to do with physics. Sorry, but LTE can only transmit so many megabits per sector. Everyone lauds Verizon for their awesome 700mhz spectrum. Well guess what: that building penetration comes at a price for many users. Larger cell sizes. And larger cell sizes means more users per tower. And if they're only rolling out 10mhz deployments of standard LTE, then that means each sector of the tower is only able to transmit at about 20mbps. Divide that among a lot more users than the AWS, PCS, or IMT bands can reach, and you'll quickly find that speeds will plummet for the average user unless you have caps to limit usage.
What you're advocating - out of absolute ignorance of how cellular networks work - is akin to going back to the Pre-DOCSIS days of cable modem networks, where everyone was fighting for every bit of bandwidth the headend could provide. High latency. More dropped packets. Even slower speeds.
And guess what, if people get crappy data service, they'll switch to another provider. So ironically, if Verizon wants to keep their customers, they're probably going to want caps to manage their network. Unlike wireline, spectrum is a big issue. You can have all the backhaul in the world, but you only have so much spectrum over the air to play with. That's the reason why T-Mobile took so long to get 3g deployed (they ran out of PCS spectrum). That's the reason why ATT's service has been so sucky in the past (they ran out of PCS spectrum). That's the reason why Clear is testing LTE-FDD, LTE-TDD, and WiMax all in the same city (Phoenix) at the exact same time (they have a ton of 2.6ghz spectrum).
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elray
join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA | reply to BF69
said by BF69:said by elray:said by BF69:Until Verizon offers internet with REASONABLE caps and REASONABLE overage fees( or none at all ) then this means NOTHING. Those caps and fees ARE reasonable for VZW's 3G internet. No one makes you pay them. If there is a more price-competitive technology to deploy, then another vendor will step up and offer it, undercutting VZW. Sigh... another "big company should be able to fuck you over" apologist. Not an apologist. I assail them at every appropriate opportunity.
But I understand fundamental economic and market principles. VZ, et al, are not going to invest in the brazillion-dollar infrastructure necessary to provide 3G internet, if they don't at least believe in the myth of profit potential.
The original two cellular franchises were profitable enough that we saw Sprint and eventually Nextel capitalize and enter the frey; today, we have "disruptive" and pre-pay companies doing the same. They are all in the market for one reason: profit.
People are willing to pay Verizon's premium prices for 3G and other perceived-high-quality services. So long as people are so willing, if there is a way of providing a similar service at a substantial discount, then a competitor WILL do so.
VZW isn't f*ing you over. They're providing a service that you want. If you aren't willing to pay their price, that's your choice. If *I* were you, and I felt that VZW was somehow making "unfair" returns, I'd buy a ton of their stock, and use the dividends to pay my 3G bill. |
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lol how do you figure? Ericsson is a Japense company now thanks to Sony. As far as anything of Sprint's being in India; where have you been? It's all moved back to the States. And has been for some time now.
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| said by hottboiinnc:lol how do you figure? Ericsson is a Japense company now thanks to Sony. Sony Ericsson is a joint venture of two companies (guess who). It manufactures handsets and a couple of data cards. It doesn't do network management, nor does it manufacture network hardware.
Of the parent companies, one of them is Japanese, one of them is still Swedish. Both are publicly traded. |
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