| TekSavvy's P2P policies? Hello everyone, I was wondering what TekSavvy's P2P policies are like? I'm currently using Rogers HSI and they throttle you down to nothing, I have heard good things about TekSavvy but would like to make sure before I switch. Thank you! |
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Hello everyone, I was wondering what TekSavvy's P2P policies are like? I'm currently using Rogers HSI and they throttle you down to nothing, I have heard good things about TekSavvy but would like to make sure before I switch. Thank you!
Teksavvy doesn't throttle, but their infrastructure provider, Bell, does - so its the same net effect - you'll be throttled to 25 Kbps from 4pm to 2am daily.
Edit: you may be able to avoid the throttle for now using MLPPP, but that could change in the future. |
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grunze510
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Cote Saint-Luc, QC
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TekSavvy doesn't throttle, but there are some things to note.
Their cable service is a little shaky right now. Torrents aren't throttled, but many people are having serious speed issues with their connection.
Their DSL service gets throttled by Bell. MLPPP can be used to bypass the throttle and it costs $4/month.
You might also be able to bypass the throttle by setting your torrent client to use port 1723, forcing encryption in the client, and forwarding the port correctly. Also disable PEX, DHT, and Local Peer Discovery. This will have a better chance of working if you set it up before you get connected with DSL. |
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So they throttle you from 4pm to 2am, but from 3am to 3pm you are completely free as far as upload speed goes? With Rogers you'll be lucky to get over 10kB/s upload speed at any time, which is quite frankly horrible.
I am not the most literate person in the world when it comes to P2P, so I may need a little more help deciding on what to do from you guys :P. |
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grunze510
join:2009-02-14
Cote Saint-Luc, QC
kudos:1 | said by Golorian :
So they throttle you from 4pm to 2am, but from 3am to 3pm you are completely free as far as upload speed goes? With Rogers you'll be lucky to get over 10kB/s upload speed at any time, which is quite frankly horrible. With Bell and wholesale DSL, (unless they changed it a bit) throttling is from 4:30PM - 2:00AM. 4:30PM - 6:00PM and 1:00AM - 2:00AM throttling is 60ish KB/s symmetrical (upload and download each), and from 6:00PM - 1:00AM throttling is 30ish KB/s symmetrical.
said by Golorian :
I am not the most literate person in the world when it comes to P2P, so I may need a little more help deciding on what to do from you guys :P. There are quite a few posts about MLPPP and one is even stickied. As I said, it's $4/month. If you want to understand what I was describing a little better, search this forum for "per vices".
If TSI cable is available in your area, then you won't even need to learn this terminology. But as I said, they seem to be having congestion issues and the orders are going through, then revoked, and crazy things like that. |
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it's also worth mentioning the 4$ a month MLPPP option also includes newsgroups AND/OR static IP if requested |
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TekSavvy cable is what I think you want.
Please post your location because there may not be speed issues in your area. |
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Hi guys,
I'm also wondering about the same question. I'm currently on Bell DSL and am considering TekSavvy cable, which according to their website is available in my area (downtown Toronto). Judging from the posts I read, is TekSavvy cable a safe bet for using P2P? Do they throttle at all? Because I heard that their cable uses Rogers, which I heard is horrible for P2P users. |
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 El QuintronResident Mouth BreatherPremium
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| said by axeman666:is TekSavvy cable a safe bet for using P2P? Do they throttle at all? Because I heard that their cable uses Rogers, which I heard is horrible for P2P users. Hello,
I've been on Teksavvy Cable pretty much since its been available in my area, I can confirm there is no throttling on Cable Wholesale clients in Ontario (so Tek and CIA).
So far the future looks bringht for unmolested access on Cable wholesale
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| That sounds somewhat reassuring. Thank you! |
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 nitzguyPremium
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Sudbury, ON
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said by El Quintron:said by axeman666:is TekSavvy cable a safe bet for using P2P? Do they throttle at all? Because I heard that their cable uses Rogers, which I heard is horrible for P2P users. Hello, I've been on Teksavvy Cable pretty much since its been available in my area, I can confirm there is no throttling on Cable Wholesale clients in Ontario (so Tek and CIA). So far the future looks bringht for unmolested access on Cable wholesale Don't count on it forever my friend  . There's a reason why the big cable co's started throttling the torrents in the first place . |
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El QuintronResident Mouth BreatherPremium
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| said by nitzguy:Don't count on it forever my friend . There's a reason why the big cable co's started throttling the torrents in the first place . Although I'm somewhat prone to agreeing with you there; the landscape under which this bullshit was brought in has changed.
If Rogers does decide to start throttling Tek/CIA they will have to give notice, as per recent rulings.
Which would allow wholesale ISPs to mount a case under contract law; in the case of TSI (I don't know about CIA) their unlimited/unthrottled arrangement was done within a framework where throttling and capping already existed.
So this would actually allow Tek (and possible CIA) to sue for damages and violation of contract.
The CRTC's typical delaying to finally give it to the incumbent's wouldn't come into play, because contract law would apply, therefore avoiding the CRTC altogether.
Or so I hope.
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nitzguyPremium
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| said by El Quintron:said by nitzguy:Don't count on it forever my friend . There's a reason why the big cable co's started throttling the torrents in the first place . Although I'm somewhat prone to agreeing with you there; the landscape under which this bullshit was brought in has changed. If Rogers does decide to start throttling Tek/CIA they will have to give notice, as per recent rulings. Which would allow wholesale ISPs to mount a case under contract law; in the case of TSI (I don't know about CIA) their unlimited/unthrottled arrangement was done within a framework where throttling and capping already existed. So this would actually allow Tek (and possible CIA) to sue for damages and violation of contract. The CRTC's typical delaying to finally give it to the incumbent's wouldn't come into play, because contract law would apply, therefore avoiding the CRTC altogether. Or so I hope. How long has Bell been allowed to drag their feet on throttling? I Think were up to almost 2 years now.
Unfortunately CRTC regulations are simply that...regulations. Its not an iron-clad law since the CRTC is a quasi-arms length regulatory agency that has no teeth.
I'm sure again there's a provision in the TSI/Rogers deal that allows either party to break the deal for X. There's always provisions to break a contract with a penalty for both sides. And with Tedco having deep pockets this isn't new. I truly hope for you guys on cable that its good, but I feel that you'll just run into more and more problems with congestion. P2P eats bandwidth 24x7...that's what the protocol is designed to do. Add capacity and it eats it up like a hungry virus so to speak. It needs to be held in check, I know nobody likes to hear that, but with cable it is more suseptible to this sort of congestion as all of the upstream channels are congested eventually causing a problem on the downstream. Make no mistake, its typically not the downstream that gets saturated, but the upstream that does. ACK packets can't get through, and that's where you lose your speed.
I wish I could see the graphs from the TSI side...I remember years ago seeing graphs from my previous employer, we'd add capacity and it'd get eaten up in a matter of days. It was a no-win scenario with P2P being left unchecked.
I sure hope TSI has figured out a way around it ....because I truly don't see one. |
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El QuintronResident Mouth BreatherPremium
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| I know that Rogers can break the deal, but I would assume (or at least sincerely hope) that Tek would get a decent payout in the event that TedCo  started throttling or capping.
On the network management side of P2P I'm fairly aware of what can happen with the unchecked upload but you really don't need to apply ITMPs you could simply QoS it with a priority for time sensitive packets when congestion occurs.
(Primus has been doing this for years)
Make no mistake traffic management from Bell and Rogers isn't a congestion issue, it's there to prevent the internet from replacing your Pay TV subscription.
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