 jacegKeep'In An Eye Out For YaPremium
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Re: Does Totally Undetectable Keylogger Software Exist? I agree that DBAN would be the most effective solution.
But, his concern is that someone in his family initially installed this software to his computer.
There would be no way to prevent them from reinstalling the software once DBAN was run and the system was restored.
Commercial software keyloggers getting a "free pass" from antivirus/antimalware software, to me, constitutes a major security flaw in their software and infers those companies cannot or will not protect you from cyber-theft of your sensitive data. 
Anyone with access to your computer could install a commercial software keylogger program, steal anything from credit card numbers to personal correspondence, and that's OK with antivirus/antimalware companies?? !!
Are you kidding me???!!!
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his concern is that someone in his family initially installed this software to his computer.
Oh, so is this a kid who is ticked off that his parents want to monitor his pr0n and torrent habits? |
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jacegKeep'In An Eye Out For YaPremium
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said by jaceg:I agree that DBAN would be the most effective solution. But, his concern is that someone in his family initially installed this software to his computer. There would be no way to prevent them from reinstalling the software once DBAN was run and the system was restored. Commercial software keyloggers getting a "free pass" from antivirus/antimalware software, to me, constitutes a major security flaw in their software and infers those companies cannot or will not protect you from cyber-theft of your sensitive data. Anyone with access to your computer could install a commercial software keylogger program, steal anything from credit card numbers to personal correspondence, and that's OK with antivirus/antimalware companies?? !! Are you kidding me???!!! Av software is a marketing and money making scheme. It's not really meant to be effective (just look at the number of people that use AV software and are infected with malware). Anyone who relies solely on AV software for security is, well, an idiot.
Case in point, I have a friend who, just a few minutes ago, was calling me wanting for me to come over and just wipe and reinstall Windows (for free of course). I said "Sure, I'll do it for free only if you let me set you up with a dual-boot of Linux. You can use Linux whenever you are not gaming and that should stop you from having to call me every three months wanting me to come wipe and reinstall everything." The person said they like Windows and did not want any dual-boot. I said, "Fine, if you don't let me setup a dual-boot I am charging you." This is a good friend of mine, but I am sick of doing this stuff for free, especially when stubbornness interferes with the facts and my superior knowledge of them (as compared to this clueless person).
This person uses AVG (up to date) as well as occasional scans with MABM. Her PC is still infected with numerous viruses and rootkits. Even online scans will not remove them. Typical crappy Windows XP security that really just cannot be fixed without totally crippling the PC. And, obviously, AV software is not the cure.
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 neochu
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Windsor, ON
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said by jaceg:I agree that DBAN would be the most effective solution. But, his concern is that someone in his family initially installed this software to his computer. There would be no way to prevent them from reinstalling the software once DBAN was run and the system was restored. Commercial software keyloggers getting a "free pass" from antivirus/antimalware software, to me, constitutes a major security flaw in their software and infers those companies cannot or will not protect you from cyber-theft of your sensitive data. Anyone with access to your computer could install a commercial software keylogger program, steal anything from credit card numbers to personal correspondence, and that's OK with antivirus/antimalware companies?? !! Are you kidding me???!!! The commercial programs you talk about have both legitimate and illegitimate uses.
The difference is the commercial programs love to plaster themselves and advertise themselves (and their publishers) even on limited/targeted accounts and users. Their also easily removed with PROPER technical support available from the publisher.
Once those things start to disappear or become flaky then you start to have issues.
Software like said above me is only one part of security. Software can only do what it is instructed to, and at least yet it cant interpret what people may or may not do to try and have it removed based on its instructions.
If this person has an issue with a family member putting spying software on their machine than software is NOT going to be the proper solution. No software can solve a "physical" or "domestic" issue |
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said by jaceg:This is an adult, sorry to disappoint you. OK pardon my rudeness... Well if the family counselling doesn't work, he might try Spybot Search & Destroy which currently looks for over 4400 keyloggers... |
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neochu
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1 edit | said by LanDroid2:said by jaceg:This is an adult, sorry to disappoint you. OK pardon my rudeness... Well if the family counselling doesn't work, he might try Spybot Search & Destroy which currently looks for over 4400 keyloggers... If op doesn't need the functionality of a permanant system footprint (aka for gaming) and he has an issue with "trust and spying" he is probably better off running a liveCD and then resetting the system afterwards when he performs anything involving "critical" information.
At the end of the session its like a blank slate computer that is defaulted back to the original with no signs of tempering.
But yes its not going to go away until the reasons within the family as to why such software is there. (this is a trick teens use to avoid filters at the desktop level :P) |
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said by KodiacZiller:This person uses AVG (up to date) as well as occasional scans with MABM. Her PC is still infected with numerous viruses and rootkits. Even online scans will not remove them. Wow, where does she travel online to get all that malware?
Seriously.
I'm fairly adventurous online. But with a basic hardware NAT router and a free software firewall (Outpost Firewall Free 2009), I have never been infected as far as I can tell.
(I scan my system with about 5-6 major methods, and never find anything).
So where the hell does she go?
PS: Maybe she needs to use Firefox with the NoScript add-on. And she should stop opening the Nigerian scam e-mails. |
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 jvmorrisI Am The Man Who Was Not There.Premium,MVM
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Reston, VA | I think the basic problem here is that many users of Windows PCs (desktops or laptops or notebooks) have likely set up no log-on security at all -- anyone can use their machines without needing to enter a password.
And, even if they need to use a password, they've probably set them up with ADMIN privileges -- a very bad approach.
All of our PCs are Lenovos and require either a fingerprint or facial scan to log on. And the default Guest account is disabled.
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said by jaceg:I have a friend who, just a few minutes ago, was calling me wanting for me to come over and just wipe and reinstall Windows.... This person uses AVG (up to date) as well as occasional scans with MABM. Her PC is still infected with numerous viruses and rootkits. Even online scans will not remove them. Typical crappy Windows XP security that really just cannot be fixed without totally crippling the PC. And, obviously, AV software is not the cure. Running Windows, especially XP, from an Administrator account is like leaving the keys in the ignition of your car and hoping no one steals it. I work a help desk, and I have personally spoken with thousands of people with infected computers calling for help. Most of them ask some variation of 'how can I prevent this from happening in the future?' I used to advise them to use a limited account for most computing and keep a separate Administrator account, but 100% of them 'don't want to change anything'. That's O.K.; we'll make more money off them when they call back with the same problem in a few (days/weeks/months). |
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