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Re: The Government Can Use GPS to Track Your Moves said by tracker79 :
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I agree. A high level target would most likely get the good stuff. But then since most of us don't work for one of these agencies, who can be certain what devices and frequencies they're are using. With their budget, I wouldn't rule anything out. With their budget you can actually rule out a lot of stuff, as they are not swimming in cash like some people think. Sure they have their high end R&D, but they aren't going to use it for low end domestic purposes. I'm far more concerned (which is like saying I'm far more concerned about getting hit by a piece of Martian rock then rock from Pluto) about some goofy whacked out stalker sticking one of these on my car »www.brickhousesecurity.com/gps-c···ing.html then I am about any security agency doing squat about me. I guess that just the way I roll, in that I believe that my or any other government isn't really all that concerned about me or what I do, so I don't lose any sleep worrying about it and if they did take an interest in me, they would find out pretty quick that there is nothing interesting about me, that they don't already know.
said by tracker79 :
But what makes you think you could find one of their devices even if it was right in front of your face? Do you know what they might look like? Are you so certain you would be able to identify it? What if it was hidden inside of something else?  Again lets consider active, non active devices, either way there is a signal involved, coming in or going out, or the old fashion way where you just retrieve the device with the data in it. Consider frequency, power, antenna requirements, etc, really none of this stuff is magic, its all physics and can be detected.
said by tracker79 :
Are you constantly checking the undercarriage of your vehicle or other areas on or in your vehicle for GPS devices that can be smaller than a cigarette lighter (or perhaps even smaller)? Do most people do a daily morning sweep of the full RF spectrum before their morning coffee and continuously through out the day thereafter? So how would you or anyone else ever know if they were or weren't being tracked? If I had reason to, I would, but I don't, so I don't. So if you were playing, then this is part of the game and I wouldn't make it so easy that you could jump my fence and place it on my car without detection (and I just might let you do that and then use that car for shopping trips period, such that it spent a lot of time just sitting at the shopping mall, while I used another 'random' car for whatever, again assumptions are for other people, you assume that I'm using my car for whatever, so you see I might want you to track me as part of my cover showing that I'm just an average citizen who likes to go out).
said by tracker79 :
But then, so what if the GPS or other spy device was found anyway? The three letter agency responsible would simply sweep in a take it from you. Case closed. You would probably never even know what it was, let alone what frequencies it operated on or how high tech it was.
What it comes down to is most people have no way of knowing what a Gov agency is using or how to detect it. Anything else is just speculation. Sure you could assume the agency was using commonly available tech that can be had by anyone, and easily detected or found, but how do you know for sure? If I found something you think I'd call them up and ask them to come over pick it up (how would they know if I found it)? Heck no I would to use it for counter intelligence or something to my benefit.
First they are not going to waste hi-tech hardware to randomly track someone, sorry, remember that budget thing, you would be surprised how limiting that can be.
Two if your worth hi-tech, your likely a active player in the game so you know the game and take the counter steps. You will note that the CIA, NSA, FBI, FDA (insert 3 letter agency of your choice here etc), isn't making a major bust everyday despite all this apparent high tech as the other side is similarly equipped, crap they still haven't found that old ignorant cripple Bin Laden, so high tech must not be a slam dunk in this business.
Three go ahead tag my car with a GPS, you will find out pretty quick I'm pretty darn boring anymore and if you can stay awake following my life, let me know how you did it. This morning I drove my daughter to work and since then the car hasn't moved. I might go and get some milk later tonight at Coop, so if that is the stuff that security agencies are interested in, I guess they got me.
Blake
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