 joetaxpayerI'M Here Till Thursday
join:2001-09-07
Sudbury, MA
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Re: Bandwidth Limits/Congestion Management - All discussion here said by DarkLogix:Ya you can buy a 2tb drive for like $300 now. I've seen 1.5TB seagate drives for $119. I'd think new PCs are shipping with 1TB drives. Can you even buy a 250GB any more? What do they cost? $15? |
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| said by joetaxpayer:said by DarkLogix:Ya you can buy a 2tb drive for like $300 now. I've seen 1.5TB seagate drives for $119. I'd think new PCs are shipping with 1TB drives. Can you even buy a 250GB any more? What do they cost? $15? Using 1.5 TB drives ? Hmmm, how many pictures and emails could that store ? What an "abuse", everyone knows that the "median" drive capacity is 40 GB, right ?
/sarcasm (just trying to be Comcastic)
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 EGThe wings of lovePremium
join:2006-11-18
Union, NJ
kudos:9 | I don't think that the capacity of one's HD is really a factor here.. ? |
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 DarkLogixTexan and ProudPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | reply to joetaxpayer
Re: Bandwidth Limits/Congestion Management - All discussion here said by joetaxpayer:said by DarkLogix:Ya you can buy a 2tb drive for like $300 now. I've seen 1.5TB seagate drives for $119. I'd think new PCs are shipping with 1TB drives. Can you even buy a 250GB any more? What do they cost? $15? at work we just bought a brand new computer with a 160gb drive (and added a 2nd drive for cloning)(uesr gets alot of dead drives)
it was also available with 80, 250, 320, 500
and laptops tend to still have smaller drives
sure most of us when we build a computer would but a 1.5 or a 2 TB but at a business we spend more for server storage not end-user storage (because more data thats on the server in raid and backed up daily the less that can be lost)
I don't think a 40gb can be bought anymore bust as for 250gb
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DarkLogixTexan and ProudPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | reply to EG
said by EG:I don't think that the capacity of one's HD is really a factor here.. ? ya but uper managment types don't think like normal people |
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Re: Bandwidth Limits/Congestion Management - All discussion here said by DarkLogix:ya but uper managment types don't think like normal people Neither do many of the posters in this thread, for that matter. |
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| said by btfgw :said by DarkLogix:ya but uper managment types don't think like normal people Neither do many of the posters in this thread, for that matter. Truth in advertising. Trying to use what we have purchased. Asking about the usage meter 3 months after the metered model went into effect.
Imagine the horror.
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joetaxpayerI'M Here Till Thursday
join:2001-09-07
Sudbury, MA Reviews:
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said by EG:I don't think that the capacity of one's HD is really a factor here.. ? It may not, in reality, but perception is a lot.
I sit (a few years back) with my 120GB drive, and if I hear of a 100GB cap don't I think, "wow, I can download enough to fill the drive nearly every month. Anyone who demands more is either a pirate or streaming porn 24/7."
Now, with a couple TB drives, and legal streaming (I think we decided 5GB/2hr movie, no?) the 250GB seems not so large.
I happened to not be a NetFlix subscriber, but with TiVo in a few rooms, I could be one day.
I offer this just to illustrate how the drive can impact one's thinking, right or wrong. |
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join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA
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| said by joetaxpayer:legal streaming (I think we decided 5GB/2hr movie, no?) No.
HD stream is 1.5GB/hour (which is still a shade high, I believe, but could be possible for 1080p h.264 mpeg... 720p would run 1gb/hour. SD is .33 GB/hour)
So if all you do is stream legal video all day, you get
5.5 hours/day HD/1080p (1.5GB/hour)
8.33 hours/day HD/720p (1GB/hour)
25.25 hours/day (LOL!) SD (.33GB/hour)
Before you hit your 250GB cap.
Of course, you'll also be imaging your 3TB of hard drives to free cloud backup, and your 7 housemates will be streaming video, spending $600/mo on itunes, seeding every linux distro on bittorrent, and whatever else you can think of, so your actual use will be about 10-20X the cap  |
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joetaxpayerI'M Here Till Thursday
join:2001-09-07
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Re: Bandwidth Limits/Congestion Management - All discussion here said by JohnInSJ:HD stream is 1.5GB/hour I'll take your word on that. Seems low to me as TiVo recordings seem to run 5GB/hr and I thought that was already subject to some kind of compression.
Given your numbers, 133 hrs = 200GB. Is it so beyond believing that a family who just signs up for NetFlix (during the summer when nothing else is on) starts averaging 4hrs a day, between the parents and their 2.5 kids? Kids do crazy things (remember "Go Ape" the Planet of the Apes marathon, all 5 movies in one day?) My example is contrived a bit, but still in the range of a normal possibility. |
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JohnInSJPremium
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San Jose, CA Reviews:
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| Tivo records mpg2, or likely at a higher quality then you can stream from Netflix. Normal "HD" streamed is h.264 mpeg (mpeg4) which (as we posted elsewhere above) runs anywhere from 1 to 1.5GB/hour for 720p or 1080p. This is the "HD" video you stream from Netflix (after all, they pay for bandwidth too), or get from iTunes.
OTA Broadcast HD (as a counter-point) is anywhere from 5-8GB/hour (if you record the ts yourself.)
We've beaten this horse so many ways its not even funny. Sure, you can come up with ways a family of 4 does nothing but watch streaming netflix all day, each on their own PC (wow, sign me up for that family, sounds GREAT!)
They could do it, but they'd run out of HD content in 2.5 months, if they watched every last DOG on netflix.
Just do it. |
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 IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman
join:2000-09-20
Washington, DC
kudos:1 | reply to joetaxpayer
I think you've made a great point....
Funny how all of these arguments come down to assuming that no one does anything else with their connection but stream HD...
I guess regular downloading is not considered part of residential use....
I guess online backups are not considered residential use....
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IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman
join:2000-09-20
Washington, DC
kudos:1 | reply to JohnInSJ
I'll say it again and again.... because I still don't think it's getting through.
Every day that goes by, 250 GB gets you less and less of the internet.... File sizes are constantly increasing as quality goes up for the content itself.
In fact, given the expansion of the internet's content, the dollar-value proposition of 250GB capped usage becomes worse and worse every day....
That, my friend, is an inarguable fact.
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JohnInSJPremium
join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA Reviews:
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I'll say it again and again
No argument there!
A full and balanced life might include more then the internet 
250GB is the cap today. No doubt the cap will go up. Heck, no doubt you can use more then 250GB today, and still might be just fine.
No one is suggesting that 250GB is going to be a reasonable cap in 5 years. I'm not, anyway. Higher speeds, more competition, upgrades to the network, and yes, broad demand from more then 1% of the user base will indeed drive the caps higher.
But it's not today. Today, the great massive bulk of users won't come near it, so its a non-issue for them and comcast.
That, my friend, is an inarguable fact.
And we do another lap around the dead horse. |
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joetaxpayerI'M Here Till Thursday
join:2001-09-07
Sudbury, MA Reviews:
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said by IPPlanMan:I think you've made a great point.... Funny how all of these arguments come down to assuming that no one does anything else with their connection but stream HD... I guess regular downloading is not considered part of residential use.... I guess online backups are not considered residential use.... Thanks, glad you got it.
John didn't care too much for my one example, I understand that. At some point IPTV will be real, and maybe the 4 hours a day for 4 people (total, not each) won't seem like I'm constructing some pathetic family. The MRS and I average 15 hrs a week, and half of those are while on a treadmill. I'm not glued to the set. either way, I am sure Comcast will have detailed statistics about how the median numbers are creeping up, and they'll have to make some tough decisions. |
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