burner50
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EN22wm | reply to Ender3rd
Re: Ham Radio and ATT "U-Verse" IPTV-Internet-Phone Problems
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Somebody dropped the ball big time on this one.
I thought twisted pair was supposed to be shielded by the twist? |
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koma3504
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North Richland Hills, TX
1 edit | I do not think the main ariel or the burried line is twisted. I know for a fact that the old Telco drops are not.
Twisted and perhaps these uverse userse are using the old drops with the qaud wiring.
So maybee a new drop from the splice to the home and updating the qaud or cat 3 to atleast cat5e would resolve the interference. |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | All modern drops are cat3 rated and twisted as such. Old old old single pair drops are not but they're supposed to be replaced when they're come across anyway. |
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koma3504
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North Richland Hills, TX | Well i can count 5 people that have reciently had Att to there home and they still have the old drops. |
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stevech0
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San Diego, CA
 ·RoadRunner Cable
 ·VoicePulse
1 edit | U-verse employs "VDSL" which runs up to 30MHz on ye ole copper pair for a few hundred feet to a VRAD. Or it tries to. Often, the old pair is longer than they think (underground) or is more than decrepit.
U-Verse was a cheap scheme to compete with Verizon's Fiber to the home (FIOS). I think U-verse will implode due to the sillyness of trying to make a profit with a very problematic technology and 30 year old wires.
As usual with AT&T/SBC, they are long on marketing and short on delivery and customer support. |
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AMD Phreak
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said by koma3504  :I do not think the main ariel or the burried line is twisted. I know for a fact that the old Telco drops are not. Twisted and perhaps these uverse userse are using the old drops with the qaud wiring. So maybee a new drop from the splice to the home and updating the qaud or cat 3 to atleast cat5e would resolve the interference. What?
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koma3504
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North Richland Hills, TX | the old cable that goes to the Nid box from the splice box that could be quad or very old cat3 wire that is not twisted pair like the new telco drops/underground cable. |
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RadioDoc
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 ·AT&T Midwest
1 edit | reply to stevech0
Hmmm...AT&T UVerse does not overlap coverage areas with FiOS. Cable does quite nicely using their '30 year old wires".
As any Ham should know, the FCC considers anything that is not supposed to be a radio receiver that acts like one to be malfunctioning. This includes things like DSL modems, phones, and set top boxes. The transmitter operator is off the hook for interference to such devices once they can verify that the transmitter is operating correctly and within FCC spurious radiation limits.
While it can strain neighborhood relations, the best (and really, only) solution is precisely what was outlined above: Be nice, assist in directing the complainant to proper resources (read: AT&T) and cooperate in any testing required to reach a solution. |
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Piggie
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Orange Springs, FL
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| Cooperation between hams and neighbors is key. My high power operations down at those freqs predates DSL.
But I sure got my quota of complaints eating up peoples cable TV. 9 times out of 10 back them, if I replaced any push on F-connectors with crimp (before compression), tightened the connections, it all went away. A couple of times the cable company had to find the bad connection on their lines.
Point is like RD says, those old cable lines are for the most part still working fine.
Recently I had a trouble with some 30 plus year old lines interfering with me on HB OTA TV. They came out and found old connectors, replaced them. Fixed the problem.
If you start a war you will have a war. If you cooperate you will have a solution! And it sounds like ATT has work to do.
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Splitpair
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Cow Towne
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said by koma3504 :Well i can count 5 people that have reciently had Att to there home and they still have the old drops. But not U-Verse and I can a assure you of that.
Wayne
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BinLoafing
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said by stevech0 :U-verse employs "VDSL" which runs up to 30MHz on ye ole copper pair for a few hundred feet to a VRAD. Or it tries to. It actually requires more than a single pair and carries well over a few hundred feet.
Often, the old pair is longer than they think (underground) or is more than decrepit. Uverse doesn't involve the underground, as it goes from the DSLAM to the subscriber not the CO. That is unless you mean underground as buried, in which case not is your terminology incorrect, your knowledge of the outside plant is as well. |
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koma3504
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| reply to Splitpair
I will have to check on that but I do believe that atleast 3 users I know off the top of my head still have the old drops.
And i guess that could account for the very high FEC errors in there 2wire logs in a short period of time.
It just seams that in this area they are slacking off on alot of things. |
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Splitpair
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2 edits | said by koma3504 :And i guess that could account for the very high FEC errors in there 2wire logs in a short period of time. Really, their U-Verse 2wire modems are showing errors?
Did you have a clue as to what this thread was about before you began posting, or are you on yet another mindless anti-AT&T rant?
Please do me a favor, if you wish to post within this or any forum, please try to keep your posts on the subject of the forum and the original post while leaving your pre-assumed bias at the door.
Wayne
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