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saillaw
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1 edit | Locks steal gold from healers.... little thieves! This post has strayed from the New Mount and Vanity Pet Storage topic so I decided to start a new thread.
said by Digital  :said by Melleen :Am I the only lock to have NEVER used a mana pot? And yes, I did raid. Only time I will use mana pots is in BGs and low on health. Otherwise, just life tap FTW. I just want to clarify that in reality, in a raiding environment, when a lock life-taps, what they are really doing is taking mana from their healers. Why? Because any healer worth his or her salt is going to do their best to keep the entire raid topped-up, not just the tanks. So when you life tap and loose health, we throw you a heal or two. Thats mana we could have saved or a heal that could have gone on a hunter's pet... cute little ravenger....
Since you are forcing us to heal you when you could have used a mana-pot yourself, you are wasting our mana for yours. We can't life-tap, like you selfish locks, so in long boss-fights, we healers have to use mana pots and continue to top-you-off for free.
I've never bothered to do the math on it... I don't know how much mana the locks are getting, but I hope its at least a good trade... a flash of light from my pally will average about a 2200 health at a cost of 180 mana. How much mana are you getting from the life-tap and how many heals do I have to use to top you off?
I'm going to start billing the locks in my guild for mana pot refunds 
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2 edits | Re: Locks steal gold from healers.... little thieves! Having a 70 Holy Priestess, I would have to agree and disagree. I have had a lot of locks that I have healed because they expected it. I leveled from 10-70 as Holy (practically). I have had a LOT of instances to deal with locks.
My 2nd highest level'd toon is a lock...he just dinged level 44 last night. I have actually learned a lot on how to heal a lock just by playing them...here's the simple way to do it: DON'T. They have siphon life and drain life. They can heal themselves as far as I am concerned. When I did maintenance heals (while still in Japan) for Kara during ?Maiden?, over vent, the two locks we had told me to stop healing them. So now, when I group with a lock, I tell them that they are SOL when they need healing during a fight UNLESS they have aggro. (TY XPerl.)
And I don't use pots. Mana Tapx3, Arcane Torrent, Shadowfiend and Inner Focus. Plus my various mana-reducing skills.
Edit 1: Removed bold print.
Edit 2: Specified level of my lock.
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clubs: | I played a 70 lock as well. When I tapped, I didn't expect heals. The only time I expected healing was when I had a mob on me and that's it. Otherwise I was bandaging or using Drain Life or Siphon Life (if you are specced for it). | |
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| Re: Locks steal gold from healers.... little thieves! said by chaud :If you care about mana pots during raiding, you are doing something wrong. I truthfully don't think (s)he cares about the mana pots, I think this one is more about the principal. But that's an opinion. | |
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| said by chaud :If you care about mana pots during raiding, you are doing something wrong. Agreed. As a healer, I will always heal my target/group - yes, if I recognize its a lock tapping, I of course will not focus too much attention on them. Funny thing, I often tell the locks in my group to tap if they need and I will heal them.
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1 edit | Re: Locks steal gold from healers.... little thieves! Life Tap Rank 7 (580 Health, 580 mana) before talents and spell damage.
Flash of light: 180 mana, 1.5-2.2k health depending on +heal.
Lifebloom: 226 mana, 1 cast, over upwards of 2k heal.
Renew: 450 mana, upwards of 3k heal
Healing Wave: 720 mana, resto spam rank 1, easyily heal over 5k.
Point, shaman are the only ones that it really affects in more than a blink of the eye, but if they just wait until sub 20%, they have probably the most efficient push.
So 12k Health lock, can generate ~3k mana in ~15 seconds (BEFORE SPELL DAMAGE), and have their healer cast one of the above for in some cases 1/30 the value of a mana potion. Get with it. Just to clarify, I'll add this edit.
Assuming you pot for 3k, the trade off for them life tapping is ~1/30 the value of a pot for the healer, for a full 30/30 pot for the warlock. Add in spell damage and talents and you get the same affect in under ~6 seconds, barely phasing raid dps.
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| said by DownLow :said by chaud :If you care about mana pots during raiding, you are doing something wrong. Agreed. As a healer, I will always heal my target/group - yes, if I recognize its a lock tapping, I of course will not focus too much attention on them. Funny thing, I often tell the locks in my group to tap if they need and I will heal them. I only do that during the down time. | |
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1 edit | Re: Locks steal gold from healers.... little thieves! said by KCP :said by DownLow :said by chaud :If you care about mana pots during raiding, you are doing something wrong. Agreed. As a healer, I will always heal my target/group - yes, if I recognize its a lock tapping, I of course will not focus too much attention on them. Funny thing, I often tell the locks in my group to tap if they need and I will heal them. I only do that during the down time. Yes, especially when out of combat.
Oddly enough, as a healer, I have been pre-programed to immediately react to two sounds - Decursive (to clense, even before the target says..."Holy fire on me" or "I'm asleep") and a lock's tap. | |
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clubs: | I still stand by my original statement that using a mana potion will improve the warlock's DPS because he can continue to shadowbolt spam without using a GCD. All those GCD's from lifetapping add up and significantly impact their DPS. | |
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belialli
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| Re: Locks steal gold from healers.... little thieves! said by Omega :said by belialli :A destruction pot would improve his dps more than a mana pot. For fights like Brutallus, we actually tried a shadow priest in the warlock group and with destro pots and no lifetapping, they just wrecked the meters. Wrong. Sans shadow priests, mana pots are more DPS than destro pots. As a raiding warlock, I use mana pots, not out of concern for the healer's mana but for concern of trying to wtfpwn the damage meters. And you better believe I expect heals when I lifetap. It's the way my class was designed - horrible mana efficiency. The amount of DPS locks bring to fights gives us more than enough reason to be able to expect heals atfer a lifetap. And to close, if you are bitching about mana pots, stop raiding. You won't receive any heals from me unless you have aggro. You may have horrible mana efficiency, but you have two ways to get your own life back. Only one if you are destro or demon spec. You can get it yourself with just Life Drain and it still adds to the DPS. | |
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Indianapolis, IN | Re: Locks steal gold from healers.... little thieves! Ditto. Locks are on their own unless they have heavy aggro and are going down. I'll top them off after the fight when I'm going to drink anyway, but otherwise they will have to manage. | |
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| You know, it's funny that a priest won't heal a life tapping lock because they really don't need the healing. What I stated before didn't mean that I expected a heal. What I meant was that I can heal myself. I am an affliction lock, siphon life pretty much keeps me topped off through the entire fight. (even though I hate raiding, but I will do a heroic now and again.)
I think most of you need to get off of your high horses and just have fun with the game.
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| said by KCP :said by Omega :said by belialli :A destruction pot would improve his dps more than a mana pot. For fights like Brutallus, we actually tried a shadow priest in the warlock group and with destro pots and no lifetapping, they just wrecked the meters. Wrong. Sans shadow priests, mana pots are more DPS than destro pots. As a raiding warlock, I use mana pots, not out of concern for the healer's mana but for concern of trying to wtfpwn the damage meters. And you better believe I expect heals when I lifetap. It's the way my class was designed - horrible mana efficiency. The amount of DPS locks bring to fights gives us more than enough reason to be able to expect heals atfer a lifetap. And to close, if you are bitching about mana pots, stop raiding. You won't receive any heals from me unless you have aggro. You may have horrible mana efficiency, but you have two ways to get your own life back. Only one if you are destro or demon spec. You can get it yourself with just Life Drain and it still adds to the DPS. Let me guess...5 mans and some Karazhan? With that attitude you wouldn't last a second in anything higher. You are the first person who I have encountered who has seriously suggested that locks use drain life to regen after life tapping. Seriously it's laughable. Please suggest this to a guild that is actively killing Brutallus.
Many fights in Hyjal, BT and Sunwell have enrage timers, meaning DPS must kill the boss in a limited time frame. To suggest that the highest DPSing class in TBC gimps itself to drain life because of a QQing healer is insane.
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Ditto. Locks are on their own unless they have heavy aggro and are going down. I'll top them off after the fight when I'm going to drink anyway, but otherwise they will have to manage.
I find this statement funny. If a lock pulls, he is doing a bad job. If a lock lifetaps, he is doing his job. Myself and the warlocks in my guild pump 1900-2300DPS on any given fight. We rarely pull, and when we do, we get yelled at. Try healing the lifetapping lock and not healing him if he pulls, he will learn his lesson.
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As stated, I have a 44 lock and a 70 priest. I have a little bit of experience with both. I soon found out that siphon life and drain life are my best friends. I'll be damned if I ask for a healing. The Pez's and the life tap go hand in hand with the two life stealing skills.
You cannot compare lock leveling with lock raiding.
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Lastly, Shards are easy to come by...esp raiding.
Archimonde, Illidan and Felmyst have no trash.
Brutallus has 6 trash mobs. Try farming shards off nothing.
Before a raid starts, I make sure I have at least 30 shards in my bag, if not more.
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You don't want me in your raid because I'm making sure the MT is still standing instead of getting distracted by a guy who's sackin his own life bar?
If you were in my raid, I would expect you to do your job. Meaning you follow your assignment. If you are assigned to heal the MT, then do that, if you are assigned to heal the raid, do that as well.
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1 edit | Re: Locks steal gold from healers.... little thieves! There are times when locks need heals and times when they do not -- you cannot make a general rule that applies to all circumstances (if you heal the murloc magnet on tidewalker, you'll get to take a dirt nap).
Generally, if a warlock does not want/need heals, he should tell you. If it is a dps race (like the many, many timers in T6+ raids), locks will need healz to do their job.
Heck, with some of the logic bandied about here, I'd never be able to use SW:D (shadow word: death) at all on my shadow priest, which surely would nerf my damage (and the mana regen for my party).
FYI -- stop complaining about having to use mana pots -- until I started getting T6 and T6-equivalent gear, my SP drank them down like there was no tomorrow. I went so far as to level another toon as an herbalist/alchemist just so I could stop paying for mana pots. Holy Pallies have it even worse, but it is just part of the class we chose to play. | |
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1 edit | said by Omega : And to close, if you are bitching about mana pots, stop raiding. I actually have no problem healing the locks.. I typically am assigned to the MT when I am raiding with my pally so its not an issue. When doing 10 mans or heroics I obviously need to raid heal and I therefore need to keep topping the locks up and its not a problem either. The post was really mean in jest (see my avatar? I have a guitar and a donkey, so I am imune to hostility).
Ohh, and for the record I do use about 10-20 super mana pots a night when raiding with my pally, plus elixirs and flasks and food and repairs, its expensive. But not quite as expensive as raiding with my hunter who tends to use even more mana pots. I've leveled a druid originally for the purpose of making pots and flasks, but I've actually enjoyed playing it so I'm taking it to 70 too (65 atm).
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SkellBasher
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| I'm sorry, but if you're a priest or resto druid who can't take the quick second to toss a HoT up on a warlock to allow them to tap, you're not doing your job.
But on the other hand, evaluate things based on the situation. If you're not overly busy, a renew / lifebloom isn't a big deal. You should also communicate with your locks. I can't tell you how many times that I'm using my pez, potting, or life draining to fill back up, and I get 4 flash heals out of nowhere. When you do that, you're wasting MY shards, MY mana for DL, MY money for the pots.
I know healing locks isn't the easiest thing in the world to do, but sometimes people need to get off their high horse and realize that if you work together, things are significantly easier. | |
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1 edit | Re: Locks steal gold from healers.... little thieves! @Digital:
I never said I wouldn't heal a life tapping lock. I just said that you would have to have aggro. (I think I am the only Priest that's here. I think everyone else is a Pally.)
@Skell:
IMO: As stated, I have a 44 lock and a 70 priest. I have a little bit of experience with both. I soon found out that siphon life and drain life are my best friends. I'll be damned if I ask for a healing. The Pez's and the life tap go hand in hand with the two life stealing skills.
I have no problems giving a lock a HoT after a fight before I drink if I have the mana to spare. And you are right...its all in the situation. If you have aggro, then for sure, you are getting a bubble, followed by a renew and topped with at least one flash heal.
Lastly, Shards are easy to come by...esp raiding.
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For reference, here's the two toons I am talking about:
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SkellBasher
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| Re: Locks steal gold from healers.... little thieves! SL and DL are great for grinding, and situationally good in 5 mans, but these days, if you're raiding, and trying to do any significant amount of damage, you're 0/21/40, so SL isn't available.
The thing that burns me up is the healer argument that heals are 'wasted' on a lock. That's just crap. I know there are locks out there that will tap until they get all the way down and expect a greater heal RIGHT NOW. Those locks should be allowed to die, and ridiculed publicly.
I used to be TOLD to life tap in Kara just before the skellies on Nightbane. I'd tap down to 30%, one of our pallies would drop a couple big heals on me, and he'd have instant aggro once the skellies dropped. It's a great paladin trick, makes that phase ez-mode. | |
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1 edit | I'm a healer and I dont have a single problem healing locks in an instance. If you do, then you shouldnt be a healer. Locks crank out quite a bit of DPS and if you're going to complain about healing them so they can continue cranking out the DPS then you are not someone I'd want in my raid. Also, mana regen isnt really a huge issue if you have decent gear and do the basics like mana oil. I have no issues healing anyone and if that costs me a mana pot (rarely) then so be it. How many health pots/bandaids do people use waiting for a heal from the healers?
Also, you do realize that most locks have a smaller mana pool than mages or other DPS mana classes. They have to tap or just stand there and wand. I'm going to take the simple effort of healing a lock to keep the raid DPS up instead of having a class standing there with their thumb up their rear doing nothing. | |
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| I have a 70 raiding warlock. I am affliction specced so I rarely lifetap. I use dark pact instead. I tell healers not to worry about me for the most part. Locks have many ways to mitigate the life lost during from lifetapping, including Destro locks. Soul Leach talent, drain life....
In certain fights where we all take damage no matter what, I throw up a siphon life, and will drain life every now and then, and top myself off. I never need heals unless I have pulled agro or I am lock tanking (Illhoof's Imp adds mostly).
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| I haven't read the rest of the replies yet. Just skimming today, but when I raided on my lock (Pre-TBC) I used to have a macro I would use when life tapping, which stated to raid (or the healers channel) I'm bandaging don't heal me or some such...
As it is I also played a holy paladin and do not mind healing locks (specially) in BGs as if they have mana, they are doing DPS, no mana, means eating life and they gonna get crit'd soon... of course raiding is another story :P | |
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| Re: Locks steal gold from healers.... little thieves! Wow, what are all those worms doing here.....
1. I was affliction (I know destro is higher DPS, I just didnt have the equipment and I quit before raiding higher)
2. The only time you should use Drain life is on trash or when Soulshatter was resisted (hate when that happens)
3. I always gave my mana pots to the healer.
Between Dark Pact, drain life and Siphon Life, Mana was never an issue. Every healer understood never to heal me if I was over 75%. Never asked for a heal, but always seem to manage to get a HoT.
Why?
When you dish out the damage a warlock does and can last the full fight, woulnd't you want to make sure I have health and mana? And if, for the price a HoT or two you know I can keep my DPS going, wouldn't you want me to?!
I don't know, I never used them and my DPS was fine.
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SkellBasher
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| Re: Locks steal gold from healers.... little thieves! said by Melleen :1. I was affliction (I know destro is higher DPS, I just didnt have the equipment and I quit before raiding higher) ... I don't know, I never used them and my DPS was fine. If you never raided destro, you shouldn't have ever needed mana pots. | |
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| Yeah, healing lifetapping warlocks just goes with the territory of raiding. It might sound like they're just piggybacking a ride on healers, but it's how the class works.
Fortunately though, as a healer, you're left with similarly entertaining options. The next time your raid group is in a wipe situation, keep tossing that lock heals as they attempt to hellfire themselves to a durability-free death.  | |
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| Re: Locks steal gold from healers.... little thieves! said by AB_Lazy :Yeah, healing lifetapping warlocks just goes with the territory of raiding. It might sound like they're just piggybacking a ride on healers, but it's how the class works. Fortunately though, as a healer, you're left with similarly entertaining options. The next time your raid group is in a wipe situation, keep tossing that lock heals as they attempt to hellfire themselves to a durability-free death. LAwlz!!!!!!!!!
Your evil I've soooooooooo had people do this to me though Im pretty sure it wasnt intentional. I remember 1 night wiping @ Kael in TK like 4 times 1 night, we were wiping again I went to hellfire down BOOM! Heal!! Cant get mad what am I gonna say Healer quit healing!?!
BTW the healers here qq'in about having to heal a lock for life tapping
1) Reroll a lock and see why we do it (Cost in HP vs Mana gained is AWSOME)
2) STFU
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2 edits | PvP and PvE are separate games, don't think anyone can argue with that. The thing is unless you farm past raids, PvE compensates us by being interesting, as opposed to a grind.
In fact I still enjoyed Kara when we were farming it for badges. It is a matter of mindset I have to admit, if you just view each encounter as a strat it won't be that interesting. You have to use your imagination a bit, and I think this is one area of the game Blizzard could improve on.
A few cinematic cutscenes approaching and after defeating end-game relevant bosses for example.
It all depends on what you're willing to invest in the game too. Some people just prefer to think of things as a mechanical grind, even PvE. Some prefer to regard Kara as a gothic adventure, SSC as a watery underworld, Black Temple as demonic playground.. that sort of thing. Like I said, a bit of help from Blizzard in this regard wouldn't have gone amiss.
But the bottom line it would be nice if tier tokens weren't class specific and other drops were relevant to the classes in the raid. But that would go against Blizzard's policy of forcing players to rinse and repeat - lengthening the game.
If raids didn't end a Kara run with half a dozen void crystals every week, Blizzard would need to crank out expansions every 6 months, instead of every 18.
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| There's only one fight (Illhoof) that I expect heals on because I lifetap. And that's quaffing mana pots and saccing the felhunter for the mana regen.
I've been preaching that if you do not need the pet for CC or some other special purpose, sac the felhunter on bosses so the raid heals can go to other places.
Mag too, but that's because of the nova's but I start drain life once I get done clicking so the healer does not have to put the big heals on me. | |
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| I'm reminded of this addage I head a while ago:
If the Tank dies, it's the Healer's fault.
If the Healer dies, it's the Tank's fault.
If the DPS dies, it's their own damn fault.
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| Re: Locks steal gold from healers.... little thieves! said by AB_Lazy :I'm reminded of this addage I head a while ago: If the Tank dies, it's the Healer's fault. If the Healer dies, it's the Tank's fault. If the DPS dies, it's their own damn fault. HAHAH! AB that is hilarious Trademark that | |
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| Re: Locks steal gold from healers.... little thieves! The one that didn't make the list
XII. KNOW THY GROUP FUNCTION; THY DPS SHALT AVOID AGGRO, THY TANK SHALT NOT ATTEMPT TO DPS, THY MAGE SHALT NOT FORGET MANA POTIONS, AND THY HEALER SHALT NOT GO AFK WITHOUT NOTIFYING THY GROUP.
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| said by AB_Lazy :I'm reminded of this addage I head a while ago: If the Tank dies, it's the Healer's fault. If the Healer dies, it's the Tank's fault. If the DPS dies, it's their own damn fault. /agree | |
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1 edit | Re: Locks steal gold from healers.... little thieves! So let me ask this question to those of you who don't think healing the lifetapping lock is a good idea.
What content are you currently raiding?
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1 edit | Re: Locks steal gold from healers.... little thieves! prolly not high endgame content...
Edit: VC maybe? | |
| Dissembled
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Indianapolis, IN | Is my job to heal or make sure people don't die? One in the same you say?
Lock lifetaps.
I don't heal.
Lock runs out of mana.
Lock can't DPS
Lock can't get aggro anymore.
Lock doesn't die.
See, I did my job. | |
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| Re: Locks steal gold from healers.... little thieves! said by Dissembled :Is my job to heal or make sure people don't die? One in the same you say? Lock lifetaps. I don't heal. Lock runs out of mana. Lock can't DPS Lock can't get aggro anymore. Lock doesn't die. See, I did my job. Oh wait, you just died to enrage. Better luck next time! | |
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Davenport, IA
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| To anyone not getting the PvP gear vs. PvE gear rant I have: It's not the length of time it would (or could at least) take to get. My rant is that you can do it **S O L O**! You queue for AB, by yourself, let's see you "queue" for ANY raid by yourself. Even if you are the piece of sh*t that goes afk for an entire raid (yes, it happens, some raid leaders don't pay enough attention...) - you still have to have at least 9 other people in there with you.
In a BG, with the new (or fairly new) debuff of not getting honor or tokens unless you do some healing and/or damage, it makes it harder for someone to completely AFK (unless they have a bot running - and I'll get to that in a sec). Hell if it's a decent bot program you might even benefit from it being in there with you. No I'm not saying I approve of bot programs, but hell at least those pixels are doing something other than taking up space when run by a bot.
I suppose you could even bot a raid, idunno.
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MaybeTrouble
join:2008-05-09
Anchorage, AK
3 edits | Absolutely, that has always been the policy of any guild I've been in. You're expected to roll/dkp on PvE gear as it drops to replace PvP gear, but having PvE gear just because it's PvE gear doesn't make sense. Not if the S2 or whatever item has better PvE stats, which in same cases it does.
We had several hunters that used S3 helms and boots because the stats on these were better than anything that dropped in the raids we were doing. Sure they also had resilience, and a T6 or even T5 equivalent would be better, but only 3 people get to take a tier token home and for some reason our guild always got warrior/priest/drood tier tokens in SSC and TK.
Hunter/Lock/Mage got the luck with T4, and we assumed T6 would go mostly to the social misfits.. rogue/shammy/pally or whatever. Weird how things work out sometimes.
(never sure of my tier token groups, i just concentrate on whether it has my class in the name).
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AB_Lazy
@dslextreme.com
| Re: Locks steal gold from healers.... little thieves! said by MaybeTrouble :You're expected to roll/dkp on PvE gear as it drops to replace PvP gear, but having PvE gear just because it's PvE gear doesn't make sense. Not if the S2 or whatever item has better PvE stats, which in same cases it does. Funny how that went. Hopefully Blizzard changes the stats around in WotLK so that the polarization between PvP and PvE gear is broader. As iLevels went up, eventually, the PvP gears replaced obtainable PvE gears for usefulness.
It's just an even bigger problem late in game as gear saturation hits ludicrous levels. To the new player, nobody is running their beginning 5-man content - there's just no reason to. If you do manage to find a group, the stat/gear expectations are so high that you won't get let in. (I remember seeing a LFG normal slabs, T4+ required, lol) New players are forced into the PvP field since they lack any other options, and the problem just grows.
I dunno. Maybe if Blizzard upgraded the introductary group content when they added in tiers/seasons, there'd be more demand. Maybe it can't be solved, I dunno. All I know, is it's gonna be ludicrous seeing LFGs Naxx, T7+ required (the instance is a 72-73 introductary "for fun" instance). Players entering late in the game need options as well. | |
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