mudchucker
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Re: [Tech] E3 Sparkplugs, 15,000 Mile Review
Should try these Plugs
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Doctor Olds
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I think everything has been tried in plug design and that video may have be fixed behind the scenes with one plug using MSD (Capacitive Discharge) while the other is conventional single HEI spark.
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3SGTE
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Given that it is easiest for the spark to jump from the edge of an electrode, I wouldn't expect to see those as being very efficient.
A fairly high voltage would be required to initiate the spark.
There would also be temperature/cooling concerns.
It looks pretty though... |
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ttiiggy
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said by 3SGTE  :Seriously? Sure, if the plugs work like they make it look like they do. |
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3SGTE
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Seriously? |
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ttiiggy
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I would like a set of these.
»www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/sparkplug.htm
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=abwXApkLhbc |
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Grumpy
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Forgive my skepticism, but a number of similar plug ends have filtered down the gee gaw pipeline over the years.
If I would have added every available fuel saving miracle to my vehicle, the gas would by now be bubbling out the filler pipe.
I have to admit my favorite was the pie tin cut down to 'spin' the air into the engine |
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FlsRend
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I guess these have to be pre-gapped? |
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Homunculus
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Those things are made in China. I'll pass.  |
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HEDP
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Miami, FL | reply to mr_slick
Very true, but I will leave it how it is for now. |
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mr_slick
join:2003-05-22
Lynnwood, WA
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said by HEDP :...Oh and once I swapped the plugs the on board computer increased the overall estimated MPG from 30.4 to 30.6 right after driving a mile down the road with the E3 spark plugs. Acceleration has slightly improved and the engine is quieter, that's about it... I would bet $500 that if you took those old plugs and did a quick clean with a wire brush, regapped them and put them back in you would see the same improvements in mpg and acceleration. |
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join:2002-01-19
Santa Clara, CA
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said by Anonuser :I auctually tested the spark with a Taser. Worked rather well A test of a cold plug in 1 atm air pressure is meaningless. It in no way represents a hot plug electrode and compresses fuel mixture. |
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HEDP
join:2008-04-27
Miami, FL
2 edits | reply to Anonuser
I would just have to say they are better due to the fact that if voltage spikes or drops suddenly the E-3 will still be able to make a strong spark compared to a conventional spark plug, with multiple points of contact it ensures a spark happens and a strong one at that, ensuring full combustion of fuel within the cylinder. Basically efficient spark plugs, one could argue if you change the distribution cables with better one's you will get the same results with just standard plugs.
I will buy them and I would give them a try, I trust your recommendations, and I especially liked when you gave that oil filter review, even though I was already using Purelator micron filtration filters, its still was a nice review that was detailed to inform some users here.
Keep the reviews coming.
EDIT: Here are my previous spark plugs, according to the owners manual, I should replace them after 40K miles and I am pretty much at 39K now. I see that the spark plug is basically caked in white which is a sign of over heating plugs. I will need to check the overall cooling of the engine, but the temp gauge does not show anything out of the ordinary.
Oh and once I swapped the plugs the on board computer increased the overall estimated MPG from 30.4 to 30.6 right after driving a mile down the road with the E3 spark plugs. Acceleration has slightly improved and the engine is quieter, that's about it.
It's one of those things where you buy, once and then forget about until it's time to replace them. We will see how they operate for the life of the vehicle. |
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CylonRed
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Not when anti-lock brakes, auto transmissions, airbags, far safer cars, and added alcohol to fuel work against auto makers. If they were to go back and make them as safe as 1980's cars then it would be a LOT better but people want a sporty car that is safe and it WILL effect MPG - no way around that. |
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Anonuser
join:2003-01-03
Milwaukee, WI
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And ya would think cars now would be getting better mileage then those from the 80's, but hey, auto makers are idiots anyways
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supernac
join:2003-03-26
Springfield, MO | reply to Anonuser
I would think if something as simple as a spark could increase gas mileage by that much, every auto manufacture would be using them. |
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Anonuser
join:2003-01-03
Milwaukee, WI
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I auctually tested the spark with a Taser. Worked rather well
The Spark did 1 of 2 things, some times it jumped to one point with a strong bolt, and at the same time, a weaker bolt jumped at another point, and on other try's, it just changed back and forth between points on the plug very rapidly.
Change in fuel mileage, I measure my highway fuel mileage by driving at 70mph with the cruse set, when I drive to Wisconsin Dells to visit my parents. That is roughly a 140mile drive, and I drive it non stop, without any brakeing.
Orignal plugs were NGK's, and then I replaced them with Bosch's, ran those for about 10k miles, which yielded same mileage as the old stock NGK's, changed out the Bosch's right before doing my drive to the dells, with the E3's, and saw a instant increase in mileage on that trip, and every trip since. If you want, I can put another set of Bosch in or NGK's, Checker Auto has them on sale, and I can do another comparison.
My understanding, is that the way they are designed, the E3 resists fouling by having multuple electrode points, so if one is "blocked" it moves to the next best, keeping the vehicle fireing.
My understanding, where the mileage and additional benifits, are that the electrode is in a "circle" around tip, so that the kernal ignits the fuel, and the "explosion" goes up, into the cylinder, more easially burning the fuel that was around the cylinder, Instead of having the flame go sideways, and mostly burning the fuel around the sides of the cylinder.
All I know is it is working amazing in my mower, and doing a decent job on my truck and wifes honda.
Plugs were approx $5.99 each at auto zone.
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Ammler
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These plugs look interesting. Who makes these?
I might want to try them out in my Jeep.
I did one time install those AC Delco rapid fire plugs into both my 90 S10 Blazer and my wife's 94 Grand Am.
The ignition system in the Blazer went on the fritz after a couple of years, and everything including the plugs and a couple of sensors were replaced with standard OEM Parts.
The wife's Grand Am still has these plugs installed without a hitch. I estimate they have about 20 to 25k on them. |
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CylonRed
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Bloom County | reply to mr_slick
The other thing I do not get - unless the plugs are REALLY fouled I can't imagine changing the plugs will do anything for mpg. Not like the engine will notice a new plug and inject less fuel suddenly. |
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mr_slick
join:2003-05-22
Lynnwood, WA
1 edit | reply to Anonuser
Doesn't the very nature of electricity make these type of plugs kind of meaningless?
The spark is going to arc to the closest ground, and when you have more than one possible path it should (in theory) go to the closest until it is burnt down some then go to the next closest-- gaining you nothing but a (possibly) longer lasting plug?
If it did arc to more than one spot simultaneously, I would think the overall detonation power of the spark would be diminished....
Just my thoughts, not trying to start a war  , and I could be (have been in the past) wrong.
EDIT: Those do look rather clean though |
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