bicker
join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA
|  Build your own network if you're unhappy...
It never ceases to amaze me the sense of entitlement people have. It isn't your network. It's their network. Their house, their rules. Perhaps Martin is back-pedaling because he's realized -- OH YEAH! -- he's a Republican and he's not supposed to believe in regulating the profit out of businesses. |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Tulsa, OK
 ·Cox HSI
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| Entitlement my ass. I pay them good money for internet service.... Just because they are a monopoly or duopoly and know we can't readily escape their clutches I don't like being told that we will obey and be mindless little slavesumers and will only be allowed to access and pay for their services because they will block the rest (Oh, I mean 'Manage the network'.)
Screw that. Manage their stock options is more like it.
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
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Go take your cheap stupid argument somewhere else.
This network which you claim is theirs was built, upgraded, and improved on the backs of the public. They were, and still for the most part are, built in a monopolistic nature. The use of public rights of way, major barriers of entry, and the many many tax incentives to continue their business is the only thing that allows them to function as they do. |
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bicker
join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA | reply to KrK
You pay them good money for what they promise you, not for what you want. There is no monopoly -- that's just entitlement mentality talking about. You can escape anytime you want: Do without. |
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bicker
join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA
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Bull, Skippy25. The network was build, upgraded, and improved on the backs of the owners of the companies that build the networks. Again, more predictable entitlement mentality. The use of the public rights of way is more than compensated for with the free service the service providers provide municipalities.
Sheesh. |
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KrK
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said by bicker  :You pay them good money for what they promise you, They keep changing the rules. The put in a clause saying "We can do whatever we want."
Than later on, they add in throttling, shaping, blocking, filtering, Caps, overage charges, etc etc. Oh they know you'll be pissed, but they know as long as the other choice (be it DSL or cable) does it too that you are screwed.
Personally, consumers should not just take this crap. They *need* to raise holy hell about it, because the companies sure aren't going to act in their best interests just out of the goodness of their hearts. It's quite simple, either we have real competition, and many choices, OR WE NEED HEAVY REGULATION. Period. Right now we get the WORST of both worlds: Almost total deregulation, hands-off attitude, AND a lack of competition. This is the perfect recipe for abuse, and that's what's happening.... Abuse.
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"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!) |
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KrK
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said by bicker :You pay them good money for what they promise you, not for what you want. There is no monopoly -- that's just entitlement mentality talking about. You can escape anytime you want: Do without. Yeah, do without.
There's your choice for the economic future of the USA. Go back to the Stone-age and do without modern technology. Better idea: Regulate the industry. If it won't accept regulation, seize it and nationalize it.
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"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!) |
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bicker
join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA
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If you don't like the terms and conditions, then don't patronize them. Find a better supplier. If there aren't any, than ACCEPT what they're offering is the best any supplier is willing to provide you.
Consumers have the ultimate control: Don't purchase the service. That'll communicate your dissatisfaction better than anything else you can possibly do or say. It is THE manner in which consumers affect the market.
More competition will come from there being a GREATER profit motive, not a LESSER profit motive.
Heavy regulation is the liberals solution to everything.  |
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TK Junk Mail
Go ahead, make my day
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Margate City, NJ
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said by KrK :Personally, consumers should not just take this crap. They *need* to raise holy hell about it, because the companies sure aren't going to act in their best interests just out of the goodness of their hearts. Then take your business elsewhere. You don't need the government to be your nanny. Or do you?
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Dan888
join:2007-08-21
Wilmington, DE
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Most of the nation have had these companies lobby to make sure that there are laws in place that prevents newcomers from attempting to build a network. Also, a good deal of the funding for building the current internet came from the government, however many of these funds were used for other things rather than being invested into their networks. |
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join:2001-11-25
Los Angeles, CA
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April 23rd, @12:06AM
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said by bicker :You pay them good money for what they promise you, not for what you want. There is no monopoly -- that's just entitlement mentality talking about. You can escape anytime you want: Do without. These days, the Internet is a NECESSITY! It should be regulated, just like any other public utility.
Don't believe me? How about this:
Many govt. agencies (including the FCC) REQUIRE filngs to be done electronically. You CAN'T file using snail mail any more!
The IRS 'encourages' you to file your taxes electronically. How long before THEY require electronic filing?
Many employers REQUIRE you to apply for jobs online.
Many local govt. agencies have made it harder to do things without the Internet. Registering to vote or renew your driver's license for example.
We PAY for Interent service. We pay MORE then many other countries for slower service then they offer! In other words, You're being screwed! How come that doesn't upset you? How come you even DEFEND it? Are you a masochist? |
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factchecker
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said by bicker :The network was build, upgraded, and improved on the backs of the owners of the companies that build the networks. Who received their money from who? The customers... Who received tax breaks, benefits and incentives from who ? The public...
Again, more predictable entitlement mentality. The use of the public rights of way is more than compensated for with the free service the service providers provide municipalities. Clearly you have NO IDEA who much it costs to establish, maintain and administer RoWs and the associated issues and complaints that come with them. And lets not even mention the associated infrastructure costs (roads, etc).
Sheesh. Yeah, that's what everyone is saying when they read your posts that are disconnected from reality... Sheesh. |
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asdfdfdfdfdf
@Level3.net
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Not having a communications business is always an alternative to having a communications business. Therefore the government has no power to burden business. You can always escape regulation; stop doing business. If you don't like the regulatory environment become a janitor.
I have just proven that business is entirely free and unencumbered, no matter what the regulatory situation. |
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asdfdfdfdfdf
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"what they're offering is the best any supplier is willing to provide you."
You completely ignore the effects of market power and the way that such conditions can lock out competitors. There can be enormous barriers to entry for new businesses. This has nothing to do with what a supplier is willing to do and everything to do with whether one has any chance of overcoming the advantages that previous entrants have in the market. |
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
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As factchecker has already pointed out you are either a young kid that has no clue, have a vested interest in the way things are, or are just plain stupid.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you are just a young kid that truly has no clue how any of these networks were created and the shear amount of government subsidies given to them (whether it be direct financial, indirect financial, or restricted competition).
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TScheisskopf
World News Trust
join:2005-02-13
Belvidere, NJ
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Re: Build your own network if you're unhappy...
"Entitlement Mentality"??!! How much do you get paid to post tripe like this? You have to be getting paid, because no sane person would post something like this without a paycheck coming to assuage the humiliation and ignominy of attaching one's name such a post.
You are goddamned right I feel "entitled" to what I pay for, and I intend to keep doing so until I draw my final breath.
Man, the things the half-baked children of Ayn Rand will attempt around here. The mind boggles. |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Tulsa, OK
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said by bicker :Heavy regulation is the liberals solution to everything. Riding roughshod over the public good and consumers and granted unregulated monopolies all in the interests of GREED and MONEY seem to be the conservatives answer to everything... and what does it get us... crashing economy, out of control energy prices, wars, pollution, corruption, scandal, and the downfall of our nation. Yeah yeah, I know, I should just fork over my money and shut up.... but I'm not going to. Screw that. You can't have it both ways... Either allow open competition, or face regulation....
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KrK
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Tulsa, OK
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said by TK Junk Mail :Then take your business elsewhere. Ok I had DSL. I took my business elsewhere, to Cable. Next? Wireless? Not available? Satellite? Not feasible or economical. Other option, "Do without?" Yeah, ok. Nope. Bring on the Government. Real competition, or regulation. Enough of this non-competition unregulated BS.
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TScheisskopf
World News Trust
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Even Adam Smith said that Capitalism requires regulation to mitigate the baser instinct of men and their greed. Adam Smith. You know, The Big Kahuna of Capitalism? Surely, you have heard of him?
Besides, look around, like at the mortgage market and petroleum prices and their effects on the economy at large: deregulation really worked out swimmingly there, didn't it? Deregulation like the repeal of The Glass-Steagall Act, wherein the taxpayers are picking up the tab for the "unintended effects" and the complete lack of regulation on the hedge funds and credit markets..
Man, always lots of doctrine and a paucity of factual information from the dereg crowd.
Now, where do you get those neat "epic fail" pictures? |
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