PolarBear
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join:2005-01-03
Riverside, WA
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| Wait - Something Useful?
This sounds like a good idea. It could eliminate meter readers. The meter on your house would simply report back to the utility how much you used. You could also log into the utility's website and check your usage, see when it's high and when it's low, and determine what uses the most and how to cut down.
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amigo_boy
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January 27th, @03:51PM
| said by PolarBear  :This sounds like a good idea. I agree, but be prepared for the hobby radio users who will scream about how it may pollute radio spectrum even through we're not supposed to ask about how their user group, AARL has approved a BPL implementation. Or, hobby radio is supposed to be useful in disasters (although why their numbers are dwindling), or why they exchanged bandwidth for ease of use (morse code for voice), or how hobby television serves that emergency goal.
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA | reply to PolarBear
Oh yah, more money for Duke Energy and the Bush family.
Changing energy costs on the fly with their new grid technology! They will of course, require a direct connection to your bank account. |
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kruser
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join:2002-06-01
Chesterfield, MO
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They already do this. It's called Cellnet and it does not cause interference to other services.
»www.cellnet.com |
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annimossity
join:2008-01-21
Galt, CA | reply to amigo_boy
How bout someone actually tries to get a decent broadband connection to rural people so theyre not at the mercy of shoddy WISPS and Sattelite services. |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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Damn talk about Bush on the brain. I suppose if you sh*t your pants it's Bush's fault. You better hope Billery doesn't get into office they are so money grubbing everything will be for sale.
Remote meter reading is really the only thing BPL is good for.
This would have a very low bit rate, and would not be a much different then some of the systems in place now for grid monitoring.
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Camelot One
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said by amigo_boy :said by PolarBear :This sounds like a good idea. I agree, but be prepared for the hobby radio users will scream about how it may pollute radio spectrum (even through their user group, AARL has approved a BPL implementation). Hobby radio is supposed to be useful in disasters (although why their numbers are dwindling, or why they exchanged bandwidth for ease of use (morse code for voice), or how hobby television serves that goal). Mark I'm still confused on the logic. I see that hobby radio is useful during disasters, but wouldn't a disaster that required hobby radio (namely, loss of power/phone) mean the BPL would be down anyway?
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RadioDoc
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| You are still confused because you are looking at only one end of the radio link. The other end, which is usually out of the disaster area, would indeed have power and would indeed be subject to interference from BPL.
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gaforces
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January 27th, @05:34PM
| reply to Transmaster
My local utility PG&E is owned by Duke Energy hence the Bush reference.
I still remember the blackouts and the power futures scandal that got Governor Davis the boot.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California···y_crisis
"Death Star group of scams played on the market rules which required the state to pay "congestion fees" to alleviate congestion on major power lines. "Congestion fees" were a variety of financial incentives aimed at ensuring power providers solved the congestion problem. But in the Death Star scenario, the congestion was entirely illusory and the congestion fees would therefore simply increase profits."
That bankrupted PG&E and Duke Energy scooped em up.
"In a speech at UCLA on August 19, 2003, Davis apologized for being slow to act during the energy crisis, but then forcefully attacked the Houston-based energy suppliers: "I inherited the energy deregulation scheme which put us all at the mercy of the big energy producers. We got no help from the Federal government. In fact, when I was fighting Enron and the other energy companies, these same companies were sitting down with Vice President Cheney to draft a national energy strategy."
I remember a big fuss over that meeting in that it was held in secret, with no information being provided on what was being discussed.
Oh wow more stuff  >> »www.mresearch.com/pdfs/76.pdf
"The reason why the
California ISO was forced to declare emergencies on 125 different days during the crisis was its
inability to meet its Minimum Operating Reserve Criteria (MORC). This problem was severely
exacerbated by the low levels of capacity at the plants owned by Duke, Dynegy, Mirant, Reliant,
and AES/Williams – often referred to as the “Big Five.”
Traditional NUG contracts do not provide capacity value for the plant unless it meets stringent
availability criteria during on peak periods. The plants owned by the “Big Five” not only failed
to generate near their capacity during system emergencies, they only averaged operating rates of
50% to 60% during emergency conditions."
The State of CA still hasn't gotten the 9 billion back from the scams, hardly hear a peep about it anymore. Is it a co-incidence that the state is 9 billion over budget still?
And the Governator has been and wants to take it out of the school budget, along with a lot of other programs.
I used to like PG&E ... |
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RadioDoc
Sortofadog
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Chicago, IL | reply to Transmaster
Uh, the red room is thataway. The blue room (for the one above you) is to the left.
What Bush or "Billery" have to do with BPL is, precisely, zero.
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Mactron
el Camino Real
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January 27th, @04:14PM
| reply to Camelot One
said by Camelot One :I'm still confused on the logic. I see that hobby radio is useful during disasters, but wouldn't a disaster that required hobby radio (namely, loss of power/phone) mean the BPL would be down anyway? So your willing to hop on a new Airplane design without it being tested/maintained prior to your boarding? You don't check out your car to make sure all is right with it before embarking on a trip with your loved ones? Would you double check the batteries are good in the flashlight before going into a cave?.. The list goes on. 
Same with emergency radio communications. You can't test, double check, improve the radio equipment, antennas and feed lines if BPL interference is present (power on). during "normal" times. 
HTH's to clear it up for you. 
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tenbase
join:2000-07-19
Alexandria, VA | reply to amigo_boy
you think "hobby radio users" are the only folks with serious complaints about this technology?
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syco_glen
join:2005-01-30
Fernley, NV
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Why is it that whenever BPL comes up that Amateur Radio gets beat up on. I wonder what most people use the internet for? Isn't it a hobby for most people? What is the difference?
There are already technologies for electronic meter reading if you can get past the Unions who do not want to see more jobs disappear. Why add another that is going to cause problems else where? Make everyone happy and and let BPL die. |
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morbo
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said by Transmaster :You better hope Billery doesn't get into office they are so money grubbing everything will be for sale. sigh. more fear mongering by little republicans. nothing like seeing grown men afraid of a strong woman. |
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Camelot One
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| said by morbo :said by Transmaster :You better hope Billery doesn't get into office they are so money grubbing everything will be for sale. sigh. more fear mongering by little republicans. nothing like seeing grown men afraid of a strong woman. I am a democrat, with no fear of strong women, but the idea of Hillary in charge scares the hell out of me.
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morbo
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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I work, and have worked with strong women all of my professional life so don't try to feed me this line. However the Idea of Hillary does worry me, this is nothing more then an effort to get The Billary a third term in office.
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amigo_boy
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said by tenbase :you think "hobby radio users" are the only folks with serious complaints about this technology? They're the only ones I hear about, even though their advocacy group has approved BPL. On a personal level, even if there were interference (which their advocacy group has apparently said their won't be, at least with one implementation), I'm just not as certain as hobbyists that their hobby is *that* important. If BPL presented even a marginal benefit to society (which it may not), I think it would be legitimate to do away with hobby radio.
I've heard all the arguments about how it serves a public good. But, even radio hobbyists know that it's a matter of degrees. 10-20 years ago the reasoning for morse code was that it was best suited in disasters. It used less power, intelligible under worse conditions, and it wasn't susceptible to equipment damage (like a microphone).
Well, 10-20 years later, and the ranks of radio hobbyists thinning, morse code was tossed overboard in the interest of gaining a larger membership (people to have "fun" as one member of this forum put it last time). That's understandable. But, it also shows that even radio hobbyists aren't impervious to sacrificing their hobby (or its stated goals) in the name of popularity.
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amigo_boy
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said by syco_glen :Why is it that whenever BPL comes up that Amateur Radio gets beat up on. I wonder what most people use the internet for? Isn't it a hobby for most people? What is the difference? About 14 bazillion users of the internet, versus a few hundred thousand radio hobbyists?
Mark |
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Mactron
el Camino Real
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| said by amigo_boy :About 14 bazillion users of the internet, versus a few hundred thousand radio hobbyists? Mark So the majority gets to step on the rights of the minority ?..
Great logic.
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