antioch
join:2007-10-06
Pomona, CA | Different numbers here.
We offer 5/2, 15/2 and 30/5 here in So Cal. |
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rantou
join:2002-06-04
Richardson, TX | ... And at price points that are much higher than in those markets with 10/20/50 as well. |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
| Wtf hppened to the 40 mbps service in a decade that then president Clinton promised in 1997. Tax incentives were given to all providers, and yet we're lucky to be in an elite tier with 8 mbps. This is crap...or Comcrap in my case!
You're right about the pricing to, this too was supposed to come down...yeah right.
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DHRacer
Fire Survivor
join:2000-10-10
Lake Arrowhead, CA
 ·Charter Pipeline
 ·Verizon west (ex G..
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The one thing we're all forgetting is how much consumer hardware doesn't even support more than 10Mbps on the WAN port (or some that say 10Mbps WAN port but can't even deliver that).
It would take a serious re-education of the greater portion of American public to tell them that 99% of their home routers will need replacing to get more than 10Mbps down. Most would probably say "f-that!", especially since stuff that is 100Mbps on the WAN side is always a bit more money (though that is slowly changing on the latest offerings).
So, no, anything above 10Mbps is definately enthusiast level, and who owns (and paid a good penny for) enthusiast level equipment to have it. We'll see 100Mbps maybe when our kids are grown and buying HSI, because only a few today see the need for more than 10 (and they're pretty much all here at DSLR). Our kids, who have grown up in the Internet age and are fully into being bandwidth consumers will drive the rollout...
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Tikker_LoS
join:2004-04-29
Regina, SK
·SaskTel Saskatchewan
| I actually really agree with pretty much everything you said
for the most part, the only people who actually care about more speed are those that spend a lot of time doing p2p
joe blow probably rarely satures his 1mbps connection, let alone needs 10+ mbps |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA
 ·Verizon FIOS
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Well, since many ISP's integrate a router with the modem now, that probably won't be an issue. Also, considering on most days you can get a router for free (after rebates) I don't think someone spending $50-$100's on their service is going to blink at it.
The only reason any level of bandwidth above that which is current available is not used yet, is obvious. Just re-read that argument. "No one uses X-Level of bandwidth (which is greater than what is currently available) now, so they won't in the future." It's some of the most rediculous logic I've seen outside the political arena. |
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XBL2009
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join:2001-01-03
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Midwest
| reply to DHRacer
said by DHRacer  :The one thing we're all forgetting is how much consumer hardware doesn't even support more than 10Mbps on the WAN port (or some that say 10Mbps WAN port but can't even deliver that). It would take a serious re-education of the greater portion of American public to tell them that 99% of their home routers will need replacing to get more than 10Mbps down. Most would probably say "f-that!", especially since stuff that is 100Mbps on the WAN side is always a bit more money (though that is slowly changing on the latest offerings). So, no, anything above 10Mbps is definately enthusiast level, and who owns (and paid a good penny for) enthusiast level equipment to have it. We'll see 100Mbps maybe when our kids are grown and buying HSI, because only a few today see the need for more than 10 (and they're pretty much all here at DSLR). Our kids, who have grown up in the Internet age and are fully into being bandwidth consumers will drive the rollout... Like a $40 router will stop people from getting 100mbps internet. If 100mbps was available then the market would have a ton of routers for people to use.
Let's see we have gone from b to g to super g to n I think people would upgrade again if necessary.
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DHRacer
Fire Survivor
join:2000-10-10
Lake Arrowhead, CA
·Charter Pipeline
·Verizon west (ex G..
| reply to Ahrenl
I have 10/1 right now. I can only see 10 down from a very local server. Anything beyond "local" and I might as well have the 3Mbps package, at best.
How is offering 100Mbps to a customer going to change any of that? Wait...faster?
We seem to be forgetting that the other side needs to be able to serve at this speed for us to see this speed. If we all have OC-3 lines but the servers only put out at T1 levels, then we are arguing about whether we should get 100Mbps for nothing.
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bigjimc
join:2003-04-21
Middleboro, MA
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to Tikker_LoS
How many "new" Linux ISOs can a person download in a week?
Add it up. People do not need the speed. They just want it really really badly.
Unless you are a family of 10 who each game on-line with individual VoIP phones and want to listen to your Sirius radio on-line while downloading a new linux isos.
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | reply to DHRacer
If we ALL have OC-3 lines, then it stands to reason the servers (being inclusive in "ALL") have them as well. It's the same argument.. |
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Joe12345678
join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL | reply to S_engineer
The same thing that happened with the Clinton health care plan. |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
| reply to XBL2009
I've been in enough homes to know that G routers haven't flown off the shelf to replace the B routers. Many who have G routers do so because they were available when they purchased them...
People here need to stop thinking that the whole world does what the very VERY small group of people here do. This site is FAR from a representation of what the rest of the country is doing.
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XBL2009
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join:2001-01-03
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Midwest
| Since you can't get more then 10 megabits from any ISP what's the point of going beyond a b router?
I personally still have a b wireless router and a 1 Gbps wired router. I move large files with the wired router and surf with the b router.
However if the need arose to upgrade the b router for faster internet speeds I would and so would everyone else.
PS: Most homes I go into have the modem attached directly to the DSL or Cable modem and don't have a router at all.
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | That and the cost of the router is a very small percentage of the annual cost of the service.
It won't be an issue for people who want the service. |
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·RoadRunner Cable
 ·BroadVoice
| reply to bigjimc
said by bigjimc :How many "new" Linux ISOs can a person download in a week? Add it up. People do not need the speed. They just want it really really badly. Unless you are a family of 10 who each game on-line with individual VoIP phones and want to listen to your Sirius radio on-line while downloading a new linux isos. Oh man thats funny! I always get a kick out of the "downloaders" who love to spout the whole "linux distro" crap as an excuse for stealing. You are correct though, nobody, not even the people on DSLR need 100Mbps home connections at this point in time. Sure I would like one, but thats about where it ends.
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Tikker_LoS
join:2004-04-29
Regina, SK
·SaskTel Saskatchewan
| reply to XBL2009
said by XBL2009 :Since you can't get more then 10 megabits from any ISP what's the point of going beyond a b router? well, you don't get anywhere near 10 mbps thru a b router |
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XBL2009
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join:2001-01-03
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Midwest
| reply to wifi4milez
said by wifi4milez :said by bigjimc : You are correct though, nobody, not even the people on DSLR need 100Mbps home connections at this point in time. Sure I would like one, but thats about where it ends. Your argument is flawed, the economy is not based on what people need but what they want.
People want SUV's.
People want big houses.
People want faster computers.
People want faster internet connections.
Also when we all get 100mbps connections it means that a lot of things connected will have to be updated. Just imagine at what services will come online once 100mbps is available.
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voyager6868
join:2003-01-29
Waterloo, ON
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to Tikker_LoS
I love the shortsighted people on this site.
What if a company wants to sell me an HDDVD or BluRay disc over the net? Do I really want to wait a day for it to download? Or would I prefer to have it stream and I can watch it in real-time?
Let's say I'm at the office and want to see what's going on in my house. I can wire up 10 different HD cameras and stream it to my office. Or maybe I want to view live feeds from other people's houses or stream my feed to 100 other people.
If you open your mind a bit, you'll see that once people have 100Mbit connections, they will find lots of interesting uses for them--many of which are legal. |
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Tikker_LoS
join:2004-04-29
Regina, SK | not disagreeing that there's a ton of cool stuff you could do with a huge pipe available
what I'm saying is that the average person doesn't even think of that stuff, so there's not widespread demand for more bandwidth |
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gogeta6
join:2002-06-20
San Diego, CA
clubs:
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People like instant gratification (or as close to it as possible)
It's pretty nice on a 100mbit connection to have the next image dl while one is burning.
Could get 99% of stuff done on dual isdn, but wouldn't be able to multitask much. |
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