Stumbles
join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL
| Really they are criminals
You know, if an individual was caught displaying full knowledge and intent to sabotage a computer system or interfering with someones network, they would be sued, prosecuted and otherwise arrested. And this is ok? So long as you use the excuse they have?
That's bullshit.
Now what do you suppose would happen if I started sabotaging all the media outlets networks in the same method as MediaDefender to allow my "legitimate product" gain more traction at the expense of theirs?
Yeah, that's right. It'd fly like a lead balloon.
AFAIAC MediaDEfender is nothing more than a criminal that already has the MAFIA, erm I mean the *AAs blessing. How convenient some companies and individuals can turn a blind eye. |
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russotto
join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA | It's a bit hard to lodge a complaint over someone sabotaging an illegal act. It's like calling the cops over having your cocaine stolen. |
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MoeDumb
I already have a Messiah.
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join:2002-09-23
| said by russotto  :It's a bit hard to lodge a complaint over someone sabotaging an illegal act. It's like calling the cops over having your cocaine stolen. Cops have been prosecuted for stealing perps' drugs. The P2P's should file a lawsuit against these blackhats. You have to beat the scumbags in court.
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
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| reply to russotto
If someone (or something) got hurt in the act of stealing the drugs, then yes they have every right to complain.
Your analogy doesnt fit the way you would like.
This does happen all the time with drug dealers, and some of them do call the police, and if the thief gets caught, it will be arrested and prosecuted.
I do not condone piracy or drug dealing. |
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Stumbles
join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL
| reply to russotto
Not hardly the point as your example does nothing to include legitimate activities of p2p..... of which there are many.
The road infrastructure of any country is used for legitimate and non-legitimate activities. Does that give anyone the right to sabotage the highways in an analogous fashion to curtail "illegal" use? No. |
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justbits
More fiber than ATT can handle
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join:2003-01-08
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Midwest
·AT&T Yahoo
| reply to Stumbles
Their actions for any other purpose are definitely criminal. If defacing a web site is criminal, defacing a P2P search engine might be also. And maybe their actions could classify them as terrorists. 
But then again, P2P networks are open networks. There is no end user license, no authentication nor security of any manner deployed to prevent sabotage. So calling the actions criminal or terrorist-like are probably a little off base.
People who publish bogus web sites for the purpose of raising web site page ranks or search results are bigger criminals than people who post bogus files on P2P networks. You get what you paid for... if you actually paid for the media you wanted, you'd have the content you wanted and not the bogus copy that's flooding the P2P networks.
If MediaDefender broke into someone's personal P2P network for the purpose of spreading bad data, then I'd say they are criminal. Otherwise, no. |
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justbits
More fiber than ATT can handle
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join:2003-01-08
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Midwest
·AT&T Yahoo
| reply to Stumbles
Legitimate P2P networks are likely not targeted by MediaDefender.
I guess we need to define "legitimate". My favorite legitimate open source CD image search engine is likely not getting polluted by Media Defender.
Your favorite "legitimate" P2P network with music and videos is likely getting polluted by Media Defender. |
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Pirate515
Premium
join:2001-01-22
Brooklyn, NY
|  reply to MoeDumb
said by MoeDumb :Cops have been prosecuted for stealing perps' drugs. The P2P's should file a lawsuit against these blackhats. You have to beat the scumbags in court. It actually depends on what circumstances were. Some dirty cops have a nasty habit of using their authority to steal perps' or dealer's drugs and selling them themselves or reselling them to other dealers instead of turning them over to the police locker as evidence. Of course these cops should be prosecuted.
Getting back to the subject, it would be pretty funny to see one of these cases in court. The very principle of P2P allows anyone to put anything out there, including fakes. There are, however, creative ways to deal with these a**hats. Plus like someone mentioned, their fakes are pretty easy to spot, so for the most part, these idiots are wasting their money for nothing.
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Warez_Zealot
Rural land of the rising sun
join:2006-04-19
japan
| reply to russotto
said by russotto :It's a bit hard to lodge a complaint over someone sabotaging an illegal act. It's like calling the cops over having your cocaine stolen. So you are saying ISP have no case to say that these companies are doing the equivalent of a DDOS to their available bandwidth? I hope their providers know what they are using the inet connection for.
They are essentially wasting ISP's resources on lame data packets.
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Pirate515
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join:2001-01-22
Brooklyn, NY
| reply to gaforces
said by gaforces :This does happen all the time with drug dealers, and some of them do call the police, and if the thief gets caught, he/she will be arrested and prosecuted. LOL, that's the funniest thing I've heard. You do realize that the second you call the police reporting that someone stole drugs from you they will ask you where YOU got them and what you were doing with them? You have to be REALLY stupid to put yourself on the spot like that.
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John Galt
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join:2004-09-30
Oceanside, OR
| reply to Stumbles
said by Stumbles :The road infrastructure of any country is used for legitimate and non-legitimate activities. Does that give anyone the right to sabotage the highways in an analogous fashion to curtail "illegal" use? No. Really now...
»www.fedsig.com/industry_solution···hure.pdf
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supergirl
join:2007-03-20
Pensacola, FL
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| reply to russotto
said by russotto :It's a bit hard to lodge a complaint over someone sabotaging an illegal act. It's like calling the cops over having your cocaine stolen. ROFLAMAO!
A hooker takes a check from a john then goes to the cops 2 weeks later. "You are just now telling us you were raped?" the cop asked.
"Yeah," she said, "I didn't know till the check bounced." |
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cdru
Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN | reply to Pirate515
Many people have been prosecuted for failing to pay taxes on drug sales or other illegal income. It's a double whammy because only an idiot would claim it, but if you don't and get caught, it's 2x the penalty.
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cdru
Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to Warez_Zealot
said by Warez_Zealot :They are essentially wasting ISP's resources on lame data packets. It's not the ISP's responsibility to judge what is or isn't a lame data packet. Everyone here is a proponent of network neutrality. You can't have it both ways where the ISP does care what the bandwidth is being used for while at the same time not caring how it gets used.
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justbits
More fiber than ATT can handle
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join:2003-01-08
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Midwest
·AT&T Yahoo
| Except many people who are for network neutrality are also against SPAM. Spamming is currently a grey area that I'm sure 99% of receivers would classify as lame data packets. Spamming is illegal in some nations (UK) and in others SPAM is extremely undesirable. So, just like the law has exceptions, there may need to be exceptions to network neutrality, depending on what scope network neutrality is applied at. In this case, I think that an ISP could claim that Media Defender is a Denial Of Service attack, but that probably wouldn't be a good idea for an ISP, considering the big bucks paying for Media Defender's services.
Hrm. So, in that respect, maybe the R*AA/M*AA are just as bad as the companies that back spammers, because they both are funding undesirable activity. |
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