said by MikeStammer :

zzz, all this getting quite old.

i am sure its for nefarious purposes. They are probably trying to steal ur credit kard info

if you are a legit user, why does it matter?!

said by MikeStammer :

if you are a legit user, why does it matter?!

said by trickyrick :

So it's still spyware. What a surprise, that they didn't learn from their first mistake with WGAN six months ago.

For how long can any company treat their customers like crap and stay in business? I hope they get what they deserve.

And up 'til a couple of years ago I was pro-Microsoft too. Not any more. They may not learn from their mistakes, but I sure do.

said by lawrence171 :

I have yet to see a viable alternative to Microsoft Windows on the PC platform.

said by trickyrick :

They may not learn from their mistakes, but I sure do.

said by John Galt :

Rick, buddy. I suggest that you MOVE from the UK. I hate to be the one to break this to you, but YOUR GOVERNMENT is crawling up your ass. You live in THE surveillance society...even the Chinese wish they have surveillance like the British.

Microsoft is the LEAST of YOUR problems.

Yes, those cameras (and everything else) is watching YOU.

»www.conservativeliberty.org.uk/i···temid=33

»www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/···ame=true

»www.unc.edu/~jmspille/187/assign2_book.html

said by John Galt :

Rick, buddy. I suggest that you MOVE from the UK. I hate to be the one to break this to you, but YOUR GOVERNMENT is crawling up your ass. You live in THE surveillance society...even the Chinese wish they have surveillance like the British.

Microsoft is the LEAST of YOUR problems.

said by MarkAW :

This is why i am so glad this is happening »Vista, IE7, Office 2007 Banned by US DOT & FAA.
The money that Microsoft will be losing because of this may wake them up and they will start to listen to the consumers.

said by OZO :

Why would one care, unless he hides something illegal on his computer? Right?

said by huntermcdole :

. . you don't own the software your only licensing it. I would more compare it to a rental car, and I believe they can get in to your car if they have cause with out your consent.

said by XP EULA :

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3. RESERVATION OF RIGHTS AND OWNERSHIP. Microsoft reserves all rights not expressly granted to you in this EULA. The Software is protected by copyright and other intellectual property laws and treaties. Microsoft or its suppliers own the title, copyright, and other intellectual property rights in the Software. The Software is licensed, not sold.

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said by AB :

That's right, I don't own the XP software.
When I rent a television, does the company I rent it from have the right to come into my home to see what program I'm watching on it?

said by Youngjm :

Rental car companies can tell if you are speeding by using the GPS and/or navigation systems.

said by mers2 :

But they can't tell each and every location you've been to and what activities you've been doing.

said by mers2 :

GPS and logging may tell them where I've been, but it won't tell them everything I've been doing and even if the car is stopped at a location there is no way of logging if I went anywhere else without the car be it via walking or another vehicle.

said by PeeWee :

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Still more information than your computer os can report, all without a EULA. Operating the vehicle implies consent for this information to be used for or against you. All by downloading from vehicle on-board computer that you have no right to prevent.

said by PeeWee :

Does not only apply to rentals. The car you own stores the same information and can be retrieved by law enforcement agencies without a warrant in most cases.

said by MarkAW :

Yeah but Microsoft is not a law enforcement agency.

said by PeeWee :

So your okay with that and complain about computer hardware information being shared with microsoft?

said by MarkAW :

"So your okay with that and complain about computer hardware information being shared with microsoft?"

To answer your question no i do not think that is okay. I was trying to say that Microsoft is not a law enforcement agency to be collecting info on people who use legit licenced software. If i was using an illegal OS then i could understand the reason they want me download and install WGA every month, but as i have said before they know and i know i am using a legit OS.

said by PeeWee :

Does not only apply to rentals. The car you own stores the same information and can be retrieved by law enforcement agencies without a warrant in most cases.

said by Youngjm :

Rental car companies can tell if you are speeding by using the GPS and/or navigation systems.

said by AB :

And what if the car I have chosen to rent is not equipped with GPS?
Does the rental company have the right to know what store I drove to to do my shopping, or where my friend lives that I visited in that car?

said by huntermcdole :

Thus proving Godwin's Law.

As for MS doing something with out your consent, Remember you don't own the software your only licensing it. I would more compare it to a rental car, and I believe they can get in to your car if they have cause with out your consent.

said by XP EULA :

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3. RESERVATION OF RIGHTS AND OWNERSHIP. Microsoft reserves all rights not expressly granted to you in this EULA. The Software is protected by copyright and other intellectual property laws and treaties. Microsoft or its suppliers own the title, copyright, and other intellectual property rights in the Software. The Software is licensed, not sold.

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said by huntermcdole :

said by XP EULA :

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3. RESERVATION OF RIGHTS AND OWNERSHIP. Microsoft reserves all rights not expressly granted to you in this EULA. The Software is protected by copyright and other intellectual property laws and treaties. Microsoft or its suppliers own the title, copyright, and other intellectual property rights in the Software. The Software is licensed, not sold.

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said by MarkAW :

Ok where does it say in the EULA that Microsoft has the right to use said software or for that matter another software to spy on my use of said software.

I may not own the software as you say but i do own the system it is on and i can use it as i see fit as long as i don't violate my licences agreement with them which i haven't and i do own the right to refuse what they try to force me to download from them onto my system that will send my info back to them which is none of their business.

said by huntermcdole :

Thus proving Godwin's Law.

As for MS doing something with out your consent, Remember you don't own the software your only licensing it. I would more compare it to a rental car, and I believe they can get in to your car if they have cause with out your consent.

said by XP EULA :

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3. RESERVATION OF RIGHTS AND OWNERSHIP. Microsoft reserves all rights not expressly granted to you in this EULA. The Software is protected by copyright and other intellectual property laws and treaties. Microsoft or its suppliers own the title, copyright, and other intellectual property rights in the Software. The Software is licensed, not sold.

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said by Doctor Four :

According to someone who posted this at Slashdot,

quote:

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"When you start WGA setup and get to the license agreement
page but decided NOT to install the highly controversial
WGA component and cancel the installation, the setup
program will send information stored in your registry and
the fact that you choose not to install WGA back to
Microsoft's servers."

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»yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/03/07/162203.shtml

I knew there was a good reason for my refusing the
download of this. It appears to send some kind of
unique ID to Microsoft.

said by Kiwi :

Realizing that some of these anons are members, stirring a pot.

said by ABL :

My point is this: WGA does not affect pirates of software, only legitimate users. Pirates are going to be smart enough to use other means to update their OS I would think. I was ok with it for downloads and updates, but something that constantly has to phone home to check if my version of Windows is legit. is over the top. I am not anti-MS, I've used Windows for years, but at what point does WGA become intrusive? It's there already.

said by Name Game :

Think again..

»Purchase PC with unauthorized Windows - get sent to Siberia?

Not only was the school teacher innocent..but the people who sold the PC's with the phoney software cheated the school..and made money on it..and I am sure the school could not even UPDATE their PCs.

said by Martinus :

Well, that's ABL 's point. Apparently he, who supposedly was legit, was the one that got slapped - and sent to the Gulag.

said by Razzy :

Oh no! My Monte Carlo SS has that damn OnStar!!! CHEVY ARE SPYING ON ME!!

said by Razzy :

I was being sarcastic. =)

said by Razzy :

Yeah ok whatever,

Problem is there isn't any.

Why do people like to post nonsense?

said by Mele20 :

But what I want to know is if Microsoft has something hidden in the downloaded installer for a patch that you get from MS download site that calls home when the patch is installed..

said by Mele20 :

Everyone knows that if you use WU/MU that information is phoned home regardless of whether you install WGA notification or not. You have to allow WGA validation to use WU/MU and you cannot remove it later from your computer. That is what I object to...not being to remove it or disable it without using a crack.

But what I want to know is if Microsoft has something hidden in the downloaded installer for a patch that you get from MS download site that calls home when the patch is installed...something that bypasses firewalls and software like ProcessGuard. No comments? Until proven that MS is not doing this, I certainly don't think the concerns in this thread are unwarranted. Further, DRM Fault, I have OEM XP so I don't get help from MS and they don't need to underhandly send anything back to HQ especially if they are doing it from the installer in order to get information on who avoids WU/MU.

said by La Luna :

Problem being, MS could never prove otherwise to your satisfaction. You've already got it in your head that MS MUST be secretly using "something that bypasses firewalls and software....", no doubt about it, and nothing will change your mind. If you can't understand the simple concept of why they want basic, non personally identifying information about WU install successes and failures, it's a lost cause for anything beyond that.

said by swhx7 :

Tried the above-described experiment.

System: P4 tower, Windows XP Pro SP1, no unusual hardware or software . . . .

said by AB :

BTW, has it ever occurred to anyone that the letters of "Service Pack 2" can be easily rearranged to spell "Vice Pact Workes"? As well as "Swear to Veicck"?
"Dark Lord", "Beelzebub", "Satan", "Veicck"-- He goes by many names . . . .

said by Kill DRM :

You need to actually spell the word "TWO" to include "Dubya" in your list.

Who in the hell registered my "DRM Fault" anon name ??!!

said by swhx7 :

Running tasks: see image (if anyone can tell me how to get text above an image, please pm)

said by Doctor Four :

According to someone who posted this at Slashdot,

quote:

---

"When you start WGA setup and get to the license agreement
page but decided NOT to install the highly controversial
WGA component and cancel the installation, the setup
program will send information stored in your registry and
the fact that you choose not to install WGA back to
Microsoft's servers."

---

»yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/03/07/162203.shtml

I knew there was a good reason for my refusing the
download of this. It appears to send some kind of
unique ID to Microsoft.