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2 edits | Go figure...
BT was bound to lose this one. If nothing else, it's always been easy to detect BT traffic just because of all the connections it makes.
The big question I have:
Why is it always these Canadian Cable ISPs that trottle?
In the good ol' USofA we need to get some Net Neutrality laws on the books so if my Charter ever decides to pull something like this I can whoop their @ss in court.
They should really be calling it "filtered" Internet access. |
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Re: Go figure...
said by Jerm  :BT was bound to lose this one. If nothing else, it's always been easy to detect BT traffic just because of all the connections it makes. The big question I have: Why is it always these Canadian Cable ISPs that trottle? In the good ol' USofA we need to get some Net Neutrality laws on the books so if my Charter ever decides to pull something like this I can whoop their @ss in court. They should really be calling it "filtered" Internet access. Net neutrality will not stop ISP's from blocking protocols. Net neutrality laws will only apply to discrimination "by site or company". If a protocol block is applied evenly to all companies it will pass legal muster. But feel free to sue away. I hope you are very rich in order to pay the lawyer.
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said by thender2 :said by Jerm :Why is it always these Canadian Cable ISPs that trottle? Very simple. Canada > US Canada > * Fixed it for ya ! |
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said by thender2 :Another TCH anti-fair post. Yeah, but for once he is totally right in what he stated. (unless you posted on the wrong post of his)
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| said by RayW :said by thender2 :Another TCH anti-fair post. Yeah, but for once he is totally right in what he stated. (unless you posted on the wrong post of his) For once? I am almost always right. It is just that most here don't like the answers, even when they are correct. 
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Snickerdo
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said by Jerm :Why is it always these Canadian Cable ISPs that trottle? Oh please, it happens in the USA just as much, and it certainly does not happen with every provider in Canada. It's just that...
a) Studies have shown that Canadian users are more tech-savvy and take notice of stuff like this.
b) Canadian users expect top-notch service, and don't consider poor performance 'the norm' and will bitch and moan quite loudly until it is fixed.
c) Canadian users don't live in fear of the MPAA and RIAA sending them a lawsuit to ruin their life, nor do they consider sharing files a 'moral' issue, and therefore are much more open about the way they use P2P programs and how they perform.
c) We know how to voice our concerns in such a way that people take notice.
Anyone who thinks that this isn't happening in the USA is specific to only Canadian is more naive then one would originally assume.
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said by TigerLord :Fixed it for ya ! His ignorance, stupidity and bad case of the "morans" didn't even dignify his post with a direct reply.
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Re: Go figure...
STFU. A big reason why CDN ISP's are first to throttle these protocols is cuz it's not really illegal to download digital content here; so therefore damn near everyone does it regularly. When you get into the States people are so fearful of the **IA's that most people abstain. |
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| said by AnotherAnon :
A big reason why CDN ISP's are first to throttle these protocols is cuz it's not really illegal to download digital content here; so therefore damn near everyone does it regularly. When you get into the States people are so fearful of the **IA's that most people abstain. You, sir, deserve a gold star. You hit the nail right on the head. Though, I would argue, that it happens in the USA just as often, only that users are afraid to admit the legal liability of using P2P software and therefore won't speak up when something "illegal" works poorly.
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Right? Hardly... If you READ the net neutrality laws, they specifically PREVENT the ISP from blocking any LEGAL APPLICATION. That could be web browsing, that could be ftp, that could be bittorrent.
"Just as telephone companies are not permitted to tell consumers who they can call or what they can say, broadband carriers should not be allowed to use their market power to control activity online."
If THAT's the definition of net neutrality, then it most certainly means the ISP CANNOT block bittorrent, any more than the ISP can block HTTP.
»www.google.com/help/netneutrality.html
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| said by karlmarx :If THAT's the definition of net neutrality, then it most certainly means the ISP CANNOT block bittorrent, any more than the ISP can block HTTP. They're shaping, not blocking. Big difference legally.
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said by karlmarx :If THAT's the definition of net neutrality, then it most certainly means the ISP CANNOT block bittorrent, any more than the ISP can block HTTP. Most providers have provisions that DO allow them to take measures to prevent "damage" to their networks.
As biobob states, BT is a nasty creature when it runs uncontrolled. That is what providers bitch about...they could care less that it is "BT".
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I'm from the US. I don't know a single person who doesn't pirate. Try again. |
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Net neutrality will not stop ISP's from blocking protocols. Net neutrality laws will only apply to discrimination "by site or company". If a protocol block is applied evenly to all companies it will pass legal muster. But feel free to sue away. I hope you are very rich in order to pay the lawyer.
To be fair, it's difficult to saw what net neutrality laws will apply too, if they ever exist.
That said...people need to read their contracts when they sign on for a year or two with any ISP, especially with an ISP affiliated with a local utility. Just because they don't enforce a contract term today doesn't mean that they won't tomorrow.
Funny how we all run around in a fantasy land about what we consider "internet access".
Perhaps we, as customers, need to define "internet access" and compare it to the contracts we committed to! Should be telling at the least! |
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said by eco :I'm from the US. I don't know a single person who doesn't pirate. Try again. I'm sure you and all kiddies get home from school every day and are right on to your favourite torrent sites. Can you say the same of every Tom Dick and Harry, from the mothers to the 85-year old Grandfathers? Can you say that 70% of the population has high-speed Internet to actually make use of such wonderful services as bittorrent? I just tried again, looks like you need to do some work.
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said by karlmarx :Right? Hardly... If you READ the net neutrality laws, they specifically PREVENT the ISP from blocking any LEGAL APPLICATION. That could be web browsing, that could be ftp, that could be bittorrent. Please provide a link to the "net neutrality laws". All I saw on the google link was speculation of what might happen.
said by karlmarx :If THAT's the definition of net neutrality, then it most certainly means the ISP CANNOT block bittorrent, any more than the ISP can block HTTP. ISPs are not common carriers in the sense that telephone companies are. ISPs can do pretty much whatever they want to within the bounds of the contract that you agreed to.
I like your thinking to the extent that I should be able to run my own web server and email server...but both are blocked on the ATT network. Then again, my terms of service state I can't run a server..grrr. |
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said by Snickerdo :...looks like you need to do some homework. Father stands at son's door...yelling.
"Did you get your HOMEWORK done yet??!!"
"I'm downloading doing research online."
"You need to GET OFF THE DAMN INTERNET and finish your homework!!"
Father walks away, mumbling to himself "When I was a kid..." mumble, mumble...
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