karlmarx
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Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits
Let's get this straight. What the pirate bay does IS NOT ILLEGAL. Much to this poster's dismay, the US ISN'T the president of the world. No, Dubyah has ensured that everyone hates us. But, again, what they do isn't illegal, because the **AA's haven't managed to purchase the government like they have in the US. They don't need the money to stay out of jail, because, they are never going TO jail.
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Alpine
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| Ah, the rantings of those who don't have the balls to admit they're stealing.
The laws are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. You're taking the work someone else produces for a living and using it without permission or payment. It's morally wrong, regardless of what weak legal "argument" you'd like to run and hide behind.
I admit, I've used software without permission in the past. But at least I also have the guts to admit it's wrong...
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With such a well though out and rational argument I can't see why more people can't see your side.
Yes the Pirate Bay is not illegal. Eventually the **AA and other international arms of copyright holders will place enough economic pressure on Sweden, or the Ukraine, or wherever the Pirate Bay decides to try to find safe harbor, that laws will be passed and they will be shut down.
Just like a wack-a-mole game, some other torrent sharing site will pop up to take it's place...where I will continue to steal music, software, and movies, and try to justify it by telling myself record companies are evil. |
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Tomek
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Most of the time downloading torrents from the pirate bay is illegal, but often I find it justified. I use it to download TV shows, because I am too lazy to rip them from TV myself so I can watch them when I'm bored.
But I don't justify DVD piracy. After all they are available for reasonable price either in permanent format or temporary PPV or similar.
Music piracy is other story. RIAA charges WAY TOO MUCH for music and I refuse to pay. I also refuse to buy DRM infected songs that I can't play in any device I own. I'm yet to listen to good argument why CDs costs almost as much as DVDs when their production costs are not even close.
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Yauch
join:2005-06-24 | reply to karlmarx
While the stories surrounding TPB are always entertaining(Thanks Karl!). It astounds me how many international law experts routinely troll these boards. So Marx, how excatly is jurisdiction decided upon in an international distpute? |
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
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| Umm, international law doesn't come into play. The US laws are NOT international laws. The fact that the pirate bay is based overseas, has no physical presence in the US, and is not breaking any laws in THEIR COUNTRY, means the US has no recourse. The only thing the US could try to do is get sweden to change their laws. That, luckily for all of us so called 'pirates', is never going to happen. The swedish people recognize the **AA organizations for the mafioso type thugs they really are, and most certainly won't change their laws to support their tactics.
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marigolds
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Saint Louis, MO | reply to Yauch
Customary international law?
Followed by treaty.
Precedents are non-binding.
I have no idea what customary international law is for this nature of copyright violation though, but China certainly puts a dent in things. |
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dynodb
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Minneapolis, MN
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The entire idea behind relocating is to avoid inevitable legal issues. What they do may not violate the law, but that can (and likely will) change with the stroke of a pen.
The US entertainment industry has the most to lose, but certainly not the only one with copyrite laws that exist for very good reason. Sweden might be looking the other way now, but the moment their own industries are threatened by pirating, you can bet they'll crack down too.
If you want to "stick it to the man" by downloading copywrited material while wearing your Che Guevera t-shirt in between rants about "Dubya", that's your business... but it's still illegal, and since they exist mostly to facilitate the breaking of the law, I suspect Pirate Bay's days are numbered. |
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kyramilan
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said by unsub  :With such a well though out and rational argument I can't see why more people can't see your side. Yes the Pirate Bay is not illegal. Eventually the **AA and other international arms of copyright holders will place enough economic pressure on Sweden, or the Ukraine, or wherever the Pirate Bay decides to try to find safe harbor, that laws will be passed and they will be shut down. Just like a wack-a-mole game, some other torrent sharing site will pop up to take it's place...where I will continue to steal music, software, and movies, and try to justify it by telling myself record companies are evil. Like your argument. It is amazing how many people hate America in America but doesn't have the kahunas to head to the beloved land of pacifism called France.
International copyright laws do exist. And, I'm sure countries other than the U.S. like to protect their music and movies as well.
I'm sure Interpol has enforcing power too.
When Putin is sick of AllofMP3.com, it'll disappear and the people running it will be off to the gulag.
Hate to say it, even if record companies put NO DRM, people would still steal anyway.
I do think downloading a DVD is stupid when the price is the same at WalMart (or even less sometimes). |
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Trub
join:2002-12-25
Plano, TX | reply to Alpine
Well said !!! |
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Yauch
join:2005-06-24
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So Swedish law is the governing international law? Or is it possible that international disputes are based on an agreement between the two countries. Is it possible that no-one on these boards represents the Swedish government, or has any idea to how they would react to a challenge by the US.
And as far as the physical presence, it may stand in the way of an arrest, but it might not stop them from filling a lawsuit in the first place. Just ask the Online Gambling Industry. No one knows how these cases will hold up in court, but if successful it wouldn't surprise me to see the AA's stealing a page from their playbook. |
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apollo80
join:2002-01-31
Richmond, VA
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said by Tomek :Most of the time downloading torrents from the pirate bay is illegal, but often I find it justified. I use it to download TV shows, because I am too lazy to rip them from TV myself so I can watch them when I'm bored. But I don't justify DVD piracy. After all they are available for reasonable price either in permanent format or temporary PPV or similar. Music piracy is other story. RIAA charges WAY TOO MUCH for music and I refuse to pay. I also refuse to buy DRM infected songs that I can't play in any device I own. I'm yet to listen to good argument why CDs costs almost as much as DVDs when their production costs are not even close. And this justifies stealing? How about this instead...DON'T LISTEN TO THE MUSIC AT ALL OR WATCH THE TV SHOW. BOYCOTT.
I don't agree with the **AA tactics, but I also don't believe in copyright infringement. So, I split the difference. They don't get any of my money...and I do something else instead of watch/listen to their crap. |
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
Nashua, NH
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My T-SHIRT is Hugo Rafael Chávez, NOT Che Guevera. I don't see Chavez bowing to any pressure from Dubyah. In fact, Chavez provides discount oil in my town, courtesy of Joe Kennedy. Why should Venezuela, or any country, care about US copyright laws? What benefit does ANY person who lives outside of the US see by enforcing US laws? NONE. There is no benefit to any person to obey US law, so the logical conclusion is that those people will choose to ignore it. The only thing the fascist dubyah and his goons could do, would be to ban the internet. And that's not going to happen.
Suck it up. Pirate bays days are NOT numbered, because the PEOPLE of other countries don't see any gain to follow US copyright laws.
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apollo80
join:2002-01-31
Richmond, VA
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said by karlmarx : Much to this poster's dismay, the US ISN'T the president of the world. No, Dubyah has ensured that everyone hates us. Um...this topic is about Pirate Bay, not the USA.
Please remain topical and don't go political.
BUT...since you brought it up...
(beginning of flame war?)
Dubyah has ensured everyone hates us? Hmmm...looks like they hated the US before Dubyah b/c while Clinton was in office kissing up to the world, terrorists were already in the US prepping for the attack.
So I guess your solution would be for Dubyah to pull an Al Gore (if he were President during 9/11) and apologize to the terrorists that those two buildings in NYC they crashed into just happened to be in their flight path, and we, as a nation are sorry for building them decades ago and disrupting their flight path.
Yeah, that'll make the world happy with us.
Therefore, no matter what the US does, some in the world will HATE us. So, might as well do what's right and DEFEND our country from the nutjobs in the Middle East (and this is coming from a Lebanese American). |
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Tomek
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Define stealing.
If taping tv shows using VCR is legal, then what's the difference between downloading and watching it on pre-recorded VHS.
I agree that downloading other stuff is illegal (not stealing), but what if it is the only way to get the stuff.
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wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH
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Since you brought it up....
How can you consider what we are doing defense? Sure sounds like we are on the attack. Not defending. The defending should be done on our soil. This "war on terror" is an immeasurable, and un-winable "war" at best. Call it what it truely is.. It's protection for the pipeline that the US so desperately desire.
»www.worldpress.org/specials/pp/front.htm
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bentman78
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join:2004-04-16
Arlington, VA
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I agree.
I don't download music/movies, I purchase those because I don't feel "entitled" to them.
Downloading a TV show I missed is different. I do that. I also download HB0 Shows (Rome, Sopranos), but once again I subscribe to the HBO network. I download the episodes I miss and watch them on my laptop, and usually delete them when I am done to conserve space. I personally don't see a difference between that and my VCR. I have one DVR and that's enough. I am not paying for two...I personally wouldn't own one but my wife likes it.
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Tzale
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said by karlmarx :Let's get this straight. What the pirate bay does IS NOT ILLEGAL. Much to this poster's dismay, the US ISN'T the president of the world. No, Dubyah has ensured that everyone hates us. But, again, what they do isn't illegal, because the **AA's haven't managed to purchase the government like they have in the US. They don't need the money to stay out of jail, because, they are never going TO jail. To be honest with you, Bush has nothing to do with the RIAA and MPAA. While I am PRO-File Sharing, it is "illegal" to distribute copyrighted materials, IMHO. It IS the LAW. However, I think that the penalties are UNCONSTITUTIONAL and therefore WRONG.
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bentman78
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Joe Kennedy. Which one?
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy,_Sr.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy,_Jr.
»oakland.athletics.mlb.com/NASApp···d=406773
If you are referring to the Kennedy family, both Joe's are a little old for Hugo Chavez, seeing as they both died in 1969 and 1944 respectively. While you're at it, you should also note Joe and John were very very anti-communist. Chavez is borderline communist, so I doubt any Kennedy with any sense would be friends with that puke.
You must be thinking of Good ole Ted "Chappaquiddick" Kennedy. I would like to say even he has his limits, but I don't think he does.
People should care about other people ripping off our music and television. One of America's largest exports is our culture. It is a huge economy for us. But I guess that's a little to much for a rich white spoiled college kid to understand. Go work on your Walmart protest signs in your drum circle.
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | reply to Alpine
a hahahahaha.....ah yes when all else fails its "morally wrong"
Well, I'm glad I dont carry your morals.
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