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thender
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December 26th, @07:12PM

The reasons, let's list!

a) Selection. The chances of an old obscure movie being on one of these services vs emule is so tilted in emule's favor, because everyone gets to contribute, not just a few people who think they may have gotten every movie people will care about.

b) Choice. Do I want a 720p x264 for the HDTV? Do I want a moderate sized file at 960x544? Do I want a lower quality one for a normal TV or a portable at 624x352, or cross compatibility across devices that can't handle?

Do I want the original DVD? Do I want a DVD shrunk with CCE? Do I want a 1 CD xvid, or a 2 CD xvid of that movie?

c) Codec. x264 and xvid are better than DivX and whatever else they'll be using. I'm sure they'll encode using the worst settings regardless of what codec they use anyway.

Right now, the standard for buying music is 128k WMA or AAC. At least eMusic has it right with --alt-preset standard MP3s. If they encode video as well as they encode audio, it'll be awful. 128k isn't bad, it's sampling quality. I don't pay for samples.

If I want to buy from the iTunes music store, I want a choice. Do I want AAC, do I want FLAC, do I want MP3, do I want Vorbis? This issue hasn't even been addressed in the music market, much less the video one.

d) Freedom. DRM? No DRM. Am I going to replace my Cowon A2 that cost $330 at time of purchase with something else, that's probably worse, so I can play their video? Hell no!

DRM locks you into using only certain players, with certain formats. It's so easy for companies to abuse, it nearly destroys free market.. imagine if there were more major chip makers than intel and AMD, say ten, and each one had a different PSU standard. ATX, CTX, JTX. Imagine it changes over time for each chip maker. That's kind of like the current state of DRM.

e) Price. Downloadable video costs almost as much as the original, why the hell do I want to pay as much for a compressed file as I can for the original?

People are willing to pay - see giganews, UNS, newshosting. See people upgrading from 768/128 $17/month DSL to $45/month cable, or better DSL, or fiber. See the average consumer buying 750 GB drives because he ran out of space on his 500. The issue isn't in the price. Overall, it's freedom. It's "I don't want you controlling content I pay for." I want a choice in what I pay for, and that's what the content cartels either get but don't want to admit, or are dumb enough to not get. Either way, it's killing them.

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lawrence171
Evilly Yours - Evilness

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Canada
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There are only several significant DRM-players in the market.

Digital Right Management is actually quite important, but its merely being abused.

If history tells us anything, it will take approximately 50 years for that to change.
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mumixam

join:2004-08-10
Pensacola, FL

edit:
December 26th, @06:49PM

reply to thender
well put, Thasp


thender
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December 26th, @06:58PM

reply to lawrence171
said by lawrence171 See Profile :

There are only several significant DRM-players in the market.

Digital Right Management is actually quite important, but its merely being abused.

If history tells us anything, it will take approximately 50 years for that to change.
DRM isn't important at all.

There will always a different version of that file on usenet, or P2P. Name a single DRMed piece of media on iTunes that isn't on a P2P network or usenet already, in equal or better quality.

If the file is already available on these networks, then there is no point to DRM. DRM is there to prevent the file from being copied, but if there are better copies of the file out there without DRM already, on the networks that DRM is supposed to avoid them going to, then why bother with it? It's a waste of money and it only bothers people.

DRM is the equivalent of closing the front door of the apartment complex and leaving the backdoor open. It doesn't keep people from getting in, it just annoys people who want to get home.
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major marco
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Outstanding, Thasp.

Lysis

join:2005-03-30
Brooklyn, NY
reply to thender
8 percent of what?

8% seems low to me


brooklynman4

join:2004-09-07
Brooklyn, NY
8 percent my friend equals to 80 percent lol now do u call that high lol.

jimbo2150

join:2004-05-10
Youngstown, OH
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December 26th, @08:41PM

Most likely: world population.

Since the U.S. reached a landmark 300 bil. people recently, 6 mil of 300 bil. is like .002 percent.

This would also mean that piracy, in comparison to the total ammount of piracy in the world, is very low in the U.S. Oddly enough. Of course Asian and European coutries do, in most locations, have faster internet connections than those in the U.S..

I do have to agree with some though, that number seems a bit skimpy.

EDIT: Actually, 6 mil of total population is an even smaller percent. My second guess: A small test group? Who knows with these guys.
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MadMANN
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join:2005-08-19
·Comcast

reply to thender
Re: The reasons, let's list!

Is it a suprise that 60% of piracy is for porn?
So, let's add to the reasons (this sort of goes with price):

e-2) Nobody wants to pay $30 for a 90 minute spank session that is only used for about 3 mins.

karlmarx

join:2006-09-18
Nashua, NH
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reply to jimbo2150
Re: 8 percent of what?

300 BILLION? People? In the US? Umm, your off by a factor of 1000. There's 300 Million people in the US, NOT 300 BILLION. 6 Million = 2% of the population.
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alalper
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Philadelphia, PA
reply to jimbo2150
Err. . . . . that's 300 million not 300 billion people in the US.

AnonShawUser

join:2006-06-17
Calgary, AB

reply to jimbo2150
Er? 300 Billion people? I'm not sure if you have your wires crossed, if you're confused about the total world population, if you're counting specific bacterial counts, or if you're being sarcastic.

Because, the world's population, at a stretch, is 10 Billion. The US has 300 Million people. That would make 8% be 24 Million pirates. Which isn't a small number at all.

f1ip

join:2003-10-24
TX

reply to jimbo2150
I dont think the US population is larger than the World's total population. Unless you want to count the 294billion aliens living on Mars and other planets as part of the US.

Current projected world population is around 6,565,850,673

Current US Population: 300,473,963
6million of that is about 2%


dong111

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 reply to thender
Re: The reasons, let's list!

lol


PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301

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Riverside, WA
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reply to thender
If you ever travel to the Pacific Northwest, I'll buy you a beer, thender See Profile.

Cheers!
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reub2000
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Evanston, IL

reply to thender
said by thender See Profile :

DRM is the equivalent of closing the front door of the apartment complex and leaving the backdoor open. It doesn't keep people from getting in, it just annoys people who want to get home.
QFT

eMusic has been making money selling music without DRM. Movie studios could make money selling movies in whatever codec the consumer demands.
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lawrence171
Evilly Yours - Evilness

join:2001-12-24
Canada
·Acanac

reply to thender
said by thender See Profile :

said by lawrence171 See Profile :

There are only several significant DRM-players in the market.

Digital Right Management is actually quite important, but its merely being abused.

If history tells us anything, it will take approximately 50 years for that to change.
DRM isn't important at all.

There will always a different version of that file on usenet, or P2P. Name a single DRMed piece of media on iTunes that isn't on a P2P network or usenet already, in equal or better quality.

If the file is already available on these networks, then there is no point to DRM. DRM is there to prevent the file from being copied, but if there are better copies of the file out there without DRM already, on the networks that DRM is supposed to avoid them going to, then why bother with it? It's a waste of money and it only bothers people.

DRM is the equivalent of closing the front door of the apartment complex and leaving the backdoor open. It doesn't keep people from getting in, it just annoys people who want to get home.
Of course it is important. However, they're applying it in all the wrong places, and using all the wrong methods.

The file containing personal medical records should be protected, and so should files containing personal information (the military could REALLY use some help in this area).
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thender
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said by lawrence171 See Profile :

said by thender See Profile :

said by lawrence171 See Profile :

There are only several significant DRM-players in the market.

Digital Right Management is actually quite important, but its merely being abused.

If history tells us anything, it will take approximately 50 years for that to change.
DRM isn't important at all.

There will always a different version of that file on usenet, or P2P. Name a single DRMed piece of media on iTunes that isn't on a P2P network or usenet already, in equal or better quality.

If the file is already available on these networks, then there is no point to DRM. DRM is there to prevent the file from being copied, but if there are better copies of the file out there without DRM already, on the networks that DRM is supposed to avoid them going to, then why bother with it? It's a waste of money and it only bothers people.

DRM is the equivalent of closing the front door of the apartment complex and leaving the backdoor open. It doesn't keep people from getting in, it just annoys people who want to get home.
Of course it is important. However, they're applying it in all the wrong places, and using all the wrong methods.

The file containing personal medical records should be protected, and so should files containing personal information (the military could REALLY use some help in this area).
I didn't see where personal medical records or military information become relevant when discussing music and movies meant for entertainment.

For any sort of media within the scope of this conversation, DRM is useless.
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lawrence171
Evilly Yours - Evilness

join:2001-12-24
Canada
·Acanac

said by thender See Profile :

I didn't see where personal medical records or military information become relevant when discussing music and movies meant for entertainment.

For any sort of media within the scope of this conversation, DRM is useless.
Thus, DRM is being "abused".
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jimbo2150

join:2004-05-10
Youngstown, OH
reply to jimbo2150
Re: 8 percent of what?

Opps, your right, I added too many 0's. Sorry.
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