LilYoda
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Re: Hardly surprising - allofmp3 was a pirate outfit
said by Jason Levine  :It wasn't exactly a pirate outfit. They were operating completely within the Russian laws. My take on the issue as well. If there was something shady, I would say that it was more within ROMS and how ROMS was supposed to be repaying the royalties allOfMP3.com was sending ROMS than in allOfMP3.com itself.
I also don't see why allOfMP3.com wouldn't be allowed to operate within Russia, since the price they charge for an album is the price you pay for a CD in a music store in Russia (from what I read)
They can always implement IP filtering and block customers from countries where justice departments are considering the service illegal (like the US and the Netherlands)
EDIT: no taylor troll post yet??? I'm surprised...
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tapeloop
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| said by LilYoda :I also don't see why allOfMP3.com wouldn't be allowed to operate within Russia, since the price they charge for an album is the price you pay for a CD in a music store in Russia (from what I read) With my limited knowledge of how the WTO works, I imagine that agreement to join the WTO requires that participating members honor (at least on the surface) the other member countries' trade-related laws, e.g. intellectual property. Just my guess.
And yet, China seems to get away with quite a lot. Hmmm.
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LilYoda
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said by tapeloop :With my limited knowledge of how the WTO works, I imagine that agreement to join the WTO requires that participating members honor (at least on the surface) the other member countries' trade-related laws, e.g. intellectual property. Just my guess. Internationally yes. But locally?
I mean for exemple, the sale of Marijuana is illegal in the US, and legal in the netherlands. That doesn't prevent the Netherlands to be in the WTO.
Unless the RIAA, or a new version of the RIAA in Russia is mandated by the Russian government as the official copyright holder *in Russia*, then as far as I would understand it, ROMS would still bt the legal entity to collect copyright payment in Russia, for Russian customers.
So what Russia could do is force ROMS to pay back some of what it collects to the original copyright holder (which is where I believe that Russian law has to be modified), which would in turn increase ROMS fees, and allOfMP3.com's price
But shutting down allOfMP3, for Russian customers seems a bit surreal to me. If Russian people can still go to the store, buy a CD for $3, where the fee is payed to ROMS, and ROMS still doesn't pay a dime to the original artist or copyright holder, then what's next? The US will ask that Music stores in Moscow's streets be illegal?
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tapeloop
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| said by LilYoda :said by tapeloop :With my limited knowledge of how the WTO works, I imagine that agreement to join the WTO requires that participating members honor (at least on the surface) the other member countries' trade-related laws, e.g. intellectual property. Just my guess. Internationally yes. But locally? I mean for exemple, the sale of Marijuana is illegal in the US, and legal in the netherlands. That doesn't prevent the Netherlands to be in the WTO. I see your logic, but at the same time marijuana is not traded internationally between the US and the Netherlands. (At least not in the open market...  )
Unless the RIAA, or a new version of the RIAA in Russia is mandated by the Russian government as the official copyright holder *in Russia*, then as far as I would understand it, ROMS would still bt the legal entity to collect copyright payment in Russia, for Russian customers.
So what Russia could do is force ROMS to pay back some of what it collects to the original copyright holder (which is where I believe that Russian law has to be modified), which would in turn increase ROMS fees, and allOfMP3.com's price
But shutting down allOfMP3, for Russian customers seems a bit surreal to me. If Russian people can still go to the store, buy a CD for $3, where the fee is payed to ROMS, and ROMS still doesn't pay a dime to the original artist or copyright holder, then what's next? The US will ask that Music stores in Moscow's streets be illegal?
My theory is that that US, leveraged by the entertainment industry, in turn used its leverage to get Russia to shut down completely allofmp3.com rather than to leave it open and potentially available to US consumers.
I doubt that Russia would put the same pressure on the brick and mortar stores in its borders, but I think the US would.
I didn't say it makes sense. 
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scrummie02
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they'll hardly do that. The US and UK are the biggest consumers. They will either relocate or find another loophole.
On another note I think their idea is good. No DRM. That's what I like. No vendor lock in and Linux was supported.
I'd pay 99 cents a track if I could have DRM-free tracks that will play on my FreeBSD box ripped at 320kps.
Oh well, I guess it's back to ripping CD's from used music stores 
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chlen
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Marijuana is not officially legal in the Netherlands. It is tolerated, and not prosecuted. Coffee shops are technically illegal, since they carry more then a civil penalty quantity of marijuana. This allows the control enforcement of the shops. Officially the Dutch model as it is know is illegal in the Netherlands. Thus allowing for WTO membership, however many countries have expressed criticism, because like these MP3s the lack of borders and customs allow for easy distribution throughout the EU, it is of growing concern and have prompted such reaction as drug sniffing dogs on German-Dutch trains as well as automobile check points, as well as the opposite with so much marijuana coming out of Holland, Belgium, Denmark, and England are trying experimental trials with the Dutch model.
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Or taking your laptop to the public library media section and ripping all day for $0.
Careful though, if the RIAA catches on they'll shut them down too.
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