ChrisAdan650
join:2003-05-10
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It was total bs! I refreshed the giveaway link @ 11:00 exactly and the page came up about 2-3 mins later only to find out that the item had not gone on sale yet.... refreshed again and it was sold out? Rrrriiiight.... |
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Authority
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November 23rd, @02:28PM
| said by ChrisAdan650  :It was total bs! I refreshed the giveaway link @ 11:00 exactly and the page came up about 2-3 mins later only to find out that the item had not gone on sale yet.... refreshed again and it was sold out? Rrrriiiight.... I tried too... was getting my "1-click" setting cleaned up then *nothing*. It was probably all employees anyway.
Oh well, I already have one. 
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gh4456
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It sounds similar to the night the Wii went on sale. I was up at 3am waiting for it and at 3am the site got really slow but no Wii. They didn't actually put it on until 12pm the next day. Boy were a lot of people pissed. I also read it was on for literally 3 seconds.
Crazy stuff... |
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Devistater
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I hope you realize that 1 click ordering it would have forced an order at $300, not $100.
They had a page that described all this for days beforehand. You did read it didn't you?
The deal would have cost amazon $200,000 if everything went correctly, 1,000 xbox 360s at $100 instead of $300 (I bet wholesale is probably $280 or so but I'll discount that)
Its ironic, I bet amazon lost more than the $200k just from being down for 10 mins. |
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Authority
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| said by Devistater :I hope you realize that 1 click ordering it would have forced an order at $300, not $100. No, I didn't. As I said I have one and don't really want another... I just got caught up in the wondering if I could get through thing.
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Nerdtalker
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Amazon's servers were Xbox 360s (FRAG) |
I'd love to see the looks on the people's faces in their NAC or whatever, as everything went to hell in a handbasket.
Pretty good idea, this certainly generated an angry flood-storm of people talking about it...
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steelerboy26
join:2002-02-24
Oakland, CA | reply to ChrisAdan650
I was able to get it and it appeared to be loaded in my cart... then when I got to the next page... I received the "sold out" notice. |
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gc444
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I guess I would have felt better if I could have at least loaded the page somewhere close to 11:00 so it could have told me it was out of stock. But I could not load the page for about 8 minutes and I knew by then it was over. With as many people that knew about this I knew I had little chance at getting one, but perhaps they should look at other ways to sell this stuff so that more people will at least get a shot at it. Not being able to pull up the page means you have no chance, at least with the lottery you have just as good of a chance to win as everybody else. |
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aztecnology
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said by Authority :said by ChrisAdan650 :It was total bs! I refreshed the giveaway link @ 11:00 exactly and the page came up about 2-3 mins later only to find out that the item had not gone on sale yet.... refreshed again and it was sold out? Rrrriiiight.... I tried too... was getting my "1-click" setting cleaned up then *nothing*. It was probably all employees anyway. Oh well, I already have one. I was e-waiting and was like  when my page finally loaded. Btw, the 1 click option wouldn't have worked per the fine print...
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NEP1611
join:2002-03-27
Northford, CT
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I think it is a complete crapshoot who wins and who loses. Effectively, it's like a raffle. I almost think your timing had to be impeccable, literally within a fraction of a second.
And keep in mind, most people who did not get the deal are going to be pissed off and cry sour grapes, which is normal.
Fear not, I wouldn't be surprised to see the price of the console drop again shortly after the holidays. |
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knightmb
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Tech Info
For those that are curious, the most ports you can have open is 65,535 on a connection, so if more than (minus everything else below 1024 that the OS will need for various reasons) that many people are clicking to begin with, the server, no matter how beefy it is simply can't get the request because of this hard limit. If they had a server farm, maybe it could higher over a redistributed load. But if that many people are clicking on the page, anyone else afterwards is shut out no matter what connection they have. So there is nothing they could do to handle more incoming connections than this unless they built a amazon2.com or amazon3.com to allow more connections to some other web servers over an extra NIC for example. |
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koolman2
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knightmb
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November 24th, @01:17PM
| True, but the absolute limit for IPv4 is 65,535 (coded on 16 bits). That's why those DoS attacks are effective because it just blast request until the 65,535 limit is reached and basically the web server is "deaf" to new request until the others timeout and new ports are available to use. Sure the web server can handle more than that, but when you only have port numbers 1 through 65,535 to send a response back out through then you've reached the hard limit because you can't have a port number being shared for two different connections.
That's the extreme case where you have at least that many inbound connections in one single instance. Which in the amazon case, that's exactly what happened.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmissi···Protocol |
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sporkme
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| said by knightmb :That's the extreme case where you have at least that many inbound connections in one single instance. Which in the amazon case, that's exactly what happened. So how long have you worked at Amazon?
You think they have one big webserver running the site? On one IP? Uh huh... |
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batterup
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Re: Total BS!
said by Devistater :The deal would have cost amazon $200,000 if everything went correctly, 1,000 xbox 360s at $100 instead of $300 (I bet wholesale is probably $280 or so but I'll discount that) Its ironic, I bet amazon lost more than the $200k just from being down for 10 mins. Wholesale is more then 50% off suggested price, sometimes way more. |
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Devistater
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November 24th, @07:26PM
| Not on most computer products you order online.
And DEFINATELY not on xbox 360. Why do you think everyone sells it for $300? Because the wholesale price has got to be pretty close to that. My guess is $280.
How many xbox 360 sales have you seen that put it much below $300? Usually there's something special involved. Like at compusa recently there was a sign for an xbox 360 for $99, but only if you bought a 2 year cell phone agreement. Which means they are kicking back that much to compusa when they sell that kinda package.
MS is already losing money on every one they sell, why would they want to lose more than they had to?
They lost about $4 billion on xbox1 even with all the game sales.
Where stores make the money is on small accessories, like belkin cables. Compusa marks them up an average of 800% to 1200%
I think its a similar situation with Monster Cables at circuit city.
Oh and extended warranties. Those are almost pure profit for stores. Thats why they can be so insistant on asking you about them. That and the employees who sell the most usually get raises more often. |
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batterup
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November 24th, @07:47PM
| said by Devistater :And DEFINATELY not on xbox 360. Why do you think everyone sells it for $300? Because the wholesale price has got to be pretty close to that. My guess is $280. No business in the world can stay in business on a markup of 7%.
Edit:Xbox 360 Premium System Console RRP: $549.99. So $300 would be a deep discount. |
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Devistater
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November 24th, @08:14PM
| Except this entire thread, the amazon deal, and the console I was talking about was the core system. Heh, one of my replies you quoted even mentioned that the amazon price was $100 instead of $300.
$300 being the retail price of the core system.
(I'm not sure where you get $550 price for premium anyway, thats close to what the PS3 is, and I'm pretty sure the xbox 360 premium is closer to $400).
BTW, compusa this year has had a series of cost plus sales. Like cost +7% sale. If you managed to check out the prices in that sale, you would have seen they aren't really as low as you would expect. In fact a lot of the prices were higher than you see on special sales, because of a number of factors such as rebates, or the stores hoping that people buy other high margin items along with the items that the stores are losing money on. |
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batterup
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November 24th, @08:27PM
| said by Devistater :(I'm not sure where you get $550 price for premium anyway, thats close to what the PS3 is, and I'm pretty sure the xbox 360 premium is closer to $400). The $550 is *The Manufactures Suggested Retail Price*. If you watch The Price is Right that is the price they use. $299.99 is the price Amazon sells it for.
Edit: XBOX 360
Xbox 360 Core Console Video Game System
Model: xboxcore360
MSRP: $599.99
»www.megagoods.com/product_catalo···ateg=162
That site lists the MSRP, a business would get a minimum 50% discount wholesale. So Amazon MUST get more then 50%. |
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